"I don't give a fuck about your traumatic sexual assault"

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Here is an example of a particularly nasty outpouring of male rage over the Trump thing. Fuck you women, how dare you say no to men. He comes right out and says it (as part of a longer FB rant - this is a man called George Godwyn, who appears to be a standard wokebro with the standard longing to release some of that pent-up misogyny in a socially acceptable way).

Some of the reactions to this have been a bit funny in their ridiculous hyperbole about trans people not actually existing if we acknowledge that sex is a thing, but some like this are truly chilling. I know most women here are already fully aware of this, but to anybody reading who's still thinking we can all just be nice about this, no we can't. The push to abolish sex and replace it with gender identity is coming from people who don't think women should be allowed any boundaries around intimate spaces for any reason. Women saying no absolutely enrages them. If men commit violence against gender non-conforming people, it was women's fault for having boundaries.

Women, do what men say. Or fuck you.

Men who are so seemingly flippant about rape, while feeling the need to mention it (this Godwyn type and also that student who harrassed the professor) get off on rape fantasies, I bet.

I never understand using Buck as a gotcha tbh. Buck appears to pass. a Passing transwoman, none would even know about. But most do not pass. From what I have read, transmen who do not pass 100% do actually use the womens , as being female they are aware of how unsafe it could be to use the mens.

Its basically 'so you do not want obvious men in the womens? what about this person who passes as a man?! Haha' So you should accept men in the ladies as thats what you will get anyway'

Passing shouldn't matter as much as it does. But using a passing transperson as a gotcha argument is just quite silly really. But then again, so is 'but intersex' 'but lesbians' and so on. And the more recent 'men will abuse women no matter what you do, so just let them do what they want, why bother trying to stop it'

And that article, that so many people apparently said Buck should die, thats horrific.

Personally, I'm delighted not to be on the same side as George.

And poor Rosa Freedman. I know she's sometimes on here, I'm not on Twitter any more so . Rosa, who's Jewish, being called a Nazi - yeah, that works. I thought I'd taught some idiot students but not a patch on that one.

Poor Rosa - not on twitter, but if anyone points her at this thread - Rosa, that student is a disgrace. And I am eternally grateful to you for bringing your intellect and knowledge of law to bear on this issue, and for having the courage to speak out.

Calling a Jew a Nazi adds an extra level of hatred. This is both an internal disciplinary offence and a hate crime that should be reported to the police and the CST.

I really feel for Rosa.
The toxic little shit needs expelling immediately.

That student. Poor Rosa, wtf is wrong with universities these days?

I've just read this - it makes me wonder if the anti civil debate / no platforming crap breeds hatred against those who simply question the status quo and want to talk, hatred that they believe is fully justified in their toxic echo chamber.

Universities: Is free speech under threat? www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-45447938

I found this radio prog interesting this morning.

Key word for our time: safe spaces R4 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3402841-key-word-for-our-time-safe-spaces-r4

I remember watching a program about paedophiles back in the 90s. They had some men on who believed in vigilante justice.

It was quite scary the depth of the fantasies one of them had about torturing child abusers. Like he really, really wanted to hurt someone in a fucked up way and in these abusers had found the ideal victim, because who gives a shit about child molesters?

But he came across as bad as he was clearly motivated by a strong desire to physically harm others.

These dudes seem to have found their scapegoats in women who disagree with them. They can’t keep their anti women violent fantasies to themselves and use trans people as an excuse to wank about hurting women. They are scary.

A guy said to me years ago “scratch a male feminist and you’ll find a misogynist.” He was correct.

Buck should use the men’s. I’m fine with the women’s being for women only and transmen using the men’s. not much of a gotcha.

GG sounds like a weapons grade misogynist bell end so I'm not much bothered about being on his side tbh...

Woke bloke thinks he's defending the rights of a vulnerable teenage girl
Just as likely to be anime fan likes pretty trans characters and has white knight fantasies about cartoon "traps"
Probably has typed 2D>3D somewhere online in the last week

He really has a problem with that doesn't he, he really doesn't want feminine looking men anywhere near him. He needs to get them away from him......this is the root of the problem he has.

Why is that, is he afraid of men that don't conform to gender stereotypes? He comes across severely transphobic.

I've met other men that say this, they say we don't want them in the men's either......

This seems to be what's motivating a lot of woke blokes, and honestly, they're the ones who need to get over themselves and be more accepting. Feminine men are not a threat to blokey blokes, and gender non conformity is not contagious. Leave the girly boys alone and let them piss in peace in the toilets provided for people with penises.

Makes you realise just how much energy at the moment is going to create and support a highly conformist society of like-minded individuals. Anyone even slightly different - female, 'non-NT', non-macho males, true eccentrics who don't quite fit in - MUST be pushed out and preferably annihilated.

Makes you realise just how much energy at the moment is going to create and support a highly conformist society of like-minded individuals.

Yeah, the neoliberals/globalists were dead set on engineering a society of individuals, not bound together by nation or cultural roots or family/clan structures or common interests, in order to make the people easily manageable commodities.
And now the lack of societal cohesion blows up in their face, and they try to enforce it by censorship, nudging, bullying, threat of job loss and now, increasingly, even police action.

Catching up on thread several days late, this jumped out at me:

Now I think there is a certain type of man on the left who actually has a genuine violent streak and would commit violence without a qualm if he thought he was on the righteous side.

The words "on the left" are superfluous. That genuine violent streak isn't limited to one end of the political spectrum. A certain type of man commits violence if he thinks he's on the righteous side. The common feature isn't political affiliation, it's being a man who thinks violence is okay in principle - all else is just arguing over what constitutes an acceptable justification.

Quotation from the linked article in Medium - "I know so many trans people and I know how difficult it can be for them, sometimes, just to live their lives, what a scary place the world can be."

I bet the writer of that sentence would not think of themself as scary (to very many more people than a few million transgender people), despite all their misogynistic ranting in the very same article.

The words "on the left" are superfluous. That genuine violent streak isn't limited to one end of the political spectrum.

Yeap, this is another common trope. Despite the fact that it is a conservative government pushing for self-ID, time and again, the left are blamed for it.

The fact is that women also really need the social safety net to be strengthened for many reasons, but not least because women with children are trapped in abusive relationships when that safety net is weakened or removed.