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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Liberal demoncrats: "How to survive a transphobic dogpile'

46 replies

breastfeedingclownfish · 20/10/2018 11:09

lgbt.libdems.org.uk/en/article/2018/1280194/the-lgbt-lib-dems-guide-to-surviving-a-transphobic-dogpile

I gasped when I read this.

"They are pushing the following viewpoints:
Respecting trans people's rights somehow damages women's rights
Trans women are not women
Trans women are dangerous to cis (i.e. not trans) women"

Liberal fucking democrats

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breastfeedingclownfish · 20/10/2018 11:10

"Many of the supposedly-feminist transphobic groups (aka "trans-exclusive radical feminists" = "TERFs") in the UK are receiving funding from US-based religious fundamentalist organisations who are using trans rights as a "wedge" issue against equal rights as a whole."

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Juells · 20/10/2018 11:16

I liked 'demoncrats' in the heading 😅

NotBadConsidering · 20/10/2018 11:17

cis (i.e. not trans) women

So now “cis” needs clarification as “not trans”? WTAF?

breastfeedingclownfish · 20/10/2018 11:17

Ha ha. It was a mistake though

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StarsAndWater · 20/10/2018 11:20

They seem to completely take for granted that many of their voters are women who are through this bullshit.
I'd be very interested to see what polls look like at the moment, broken down by sex.
I'd be very surprised if they (and Labour/Greens) hadn't had a huge drop in female supporters.
Good luck getting into power without left wing women, Libdems Hmm

MagicMix · 20/10/2018 11:21

Respecting trans people's rights somehow damages women's rights

Well, respecting their 'right' to literally be the opposite sex does damage women's rights. So disingenuous to throw that 'somehow' in there as if there's absolutely no logical basis to the argument.

Trans women are not women

Fair play, they got that one right.

Trans women are dangerous to cis (i.e. not trans) women

Males as a class represent a statistical threat to women. Singling out transwomen to make it look like the problem is the trans identity rather than the maleness is as stupid as saying that women are racist for not wanting black men in the women's changing room.

Yeah, and when are they going to prove this funding thing?

Bonions · 20/10/2018 11:25

Fuckssake, am going to have stop being a member

StarsAndWater · 20/10/2018 11:25

Singling out transwomen to make it look like the problem is the trans identity rather than the maleness is as stupid as saying that women are racist for not wanting black men in the women's changing room.

Perfect analogy.

HawkeyeInConfusion · 20/10/2018 11:26

DARVO.

And lies.

The LibDems will not get my vote whilst they remain neither liberal nor democratic. But, according to another thread, they don't want my vote if I am unable to believe TWAW.

breastfeedingclownfish · 20/10/2018 11:30

Hawkeye

Noone believes TWAW but you have to pretend you do and demand that everyone else pretends too. It's being 'kind'

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LorettasBox · 20/10/2018 11:30

Pat Robertson sent me a personal cheque last week. It was either that or some atrociously manipulative 'Send me money and God will bless you' bit of nonsense, I forget which.

But it's worrying, really, how much in thrall to him I am. The 700 Club has its fingers in so many pies it's like the Gordon Ramsey of organized oppression.

But keep all this under your hat, it could cause trouble if it gets out.

Redshoeblueshoe · 20/10/2018 11:32

And if any one threatens you ring the police

LibDems can fuck right off.
The threats of violence are only coming from the TRAs

NothingOnTellyAgain · 20/10/2018 11:35

That happened didn't it more or less.

There was a video by a man who was ?down an alley and a woman came round the corner and saw him and changed direction and so he chased her to teach her a lesson for being racist.

Stupid twat didn't have it cross his mind for a moment that it was because he was male.

i hope he got in trouble but I don't know what happened.

Men are utterly fucking clueless about how life is for women and how our interactions with men often go, starting from when we are young, the sheer numbers of creepy weirdos out there. The trans activitists are a great example of this. + they are worse because they actually don't care as long as they get their own way.

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 20/10/2018 11:38

cis (i.e. not trans) women

It's as if they have to clarify that there are women that aren't trans.

FatherBuzzCagney · 20/10/2018 11:43

Men are utterly fucking clueless about how life is for women and how our interactions with men often go, starting from when we are young, the sheer numbers of creepy weirdos out there.

The Atwood quote is always worth repeating: “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”

deepwatersolo · 20/10/2018 11:47

How much energy must it cost to maintain this false identity where you relentlessly repeat as ‚facts’ sentences you don‘t understand, because you cannot define the words in them?

numberseven · 20/10/2018 11:55

Where's my Jesus money, I'm missing out!

RedToothBrush · 20/10/2018 12:09

Things to know:
The people contacting you are a reasonably small but committed group, often with multiple "sockpuppet" accounts on social media.

Yes, like when you are bombarded by people telling you 'Woman: Adult Human Female' posters are offensive or to cancel a meeting...

This is a known tactic. They're trying to intimidate you, to make you panic, to make you feel guilty, to not give you time to think. You don't have to play along with that.

The LGBT LDs would NEVER do this, whilst telling you about all the people who are dying in the streets from literal violence

It's likely that the people contacting you will have co-ordinated the contact; there are closed forums and Facebook groups devoted to this activity

Oh gosh yes. There are none of these around. Aimee Challenor wasn't part of one. Neither were flipping Labour MPs.

The number of people contacting you doesn't reflect the level of public support for their ideas in the way you might think

Now who did the poll about support for Self ID again?

there are a small number of people who make a lot of noise

Really? FWR's reach is...

they amplify this noise by using multiple identities.

Not even going to start on that one.

Polls suggest that most women, in the UK and around the world, support equal rights for trans women.

Yes. So do most of the people you decide to call flipping transphobic you muppets.

When Stonewall and the Scottish Government polled women's organizations dealing with domestic and sexual violence, they were all entirely relaxed about trans women's inclusion.

Cos otherwise they'd have lost their fucking funding.

Many of the supposedly-feminist transphobic groups (aka "trans-exclusive radical feminists" = "TERFs") in the UK are receiving funding from US-based religious fundamentalist organisations who are using trans rights as a "wedge" issue against equal rights as a whole.

Yes. Ok. Are you on glue?

Things to do:
Take a deep breath. You don't need to rush to react right this moment.
Look at some of the resources put out by the following organizations:
Stonewall , Trans Media Watch , Mermaids

Look into our eyes and repeat after me.

You can block, mute, and report people if you want to and should not feel bad about doing so. However, if you want to push back, use the facts linked to in Things To Know, above.

Fucking hell, they have just said, repeat after me.

Do not think critically. Do not explore ideas. Absolutely do not engage with an open mind nor listen.

It's OK if you're not an expert on these things. You don't owe people detailed policy answers to their "debating points". They are probably not asking questions in a genuine good faith attempt to learn more about the issues.

We of course are acting in complete good faith. Just do as we say. Nothing to see here. Move on now and don't question what we've been up to.

Some useful stock responses are:
"This organization is committed to equality for LGBT people, and this includes trans people"
"We do not believe that there is a conflict between trans rights and women's rights"
"Trans women are women; this is not up for debate."
and, regrettably, sometimes "Please leave me/us alone".
Do not forget, "We have always been at war with Eastasia" or "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength"

Some people you can contact are:
The Mafia
TASS
Big Brother

The absoluete state of that.

FatherBuzzCagney · 20/10/2018 12:16

So, to summarise, a tiny group of over-invested, sockpuppeting bullies with delusions of widespread public support: the whole thing just screams projection, doesn't it? Bless them, they're really not very bright.

pancaketosser · 20/10/2018 12:20

To be generous, we are allowed to name change at will on here, which could seem like multiple identities but (deliberate) sock-puppeting is not allowed on MN, and WRT the FWR board in particular I would assume that MNHQ are keeping an eye out for socks all the time.

There's a lot of "I know you are but what am I?" going on in the rest of it as well, though.

placemats · 20/10/2018 12:20

cis (i.e. not trans) women

It's like the agenda should be we are all trans women. To add to this, I have heard this argument before, several years ago.

LorettasBox · 20/10/2018 12:22

It actually reminds me of those self-help mantras, where you look into a mirror and say, over and over "I am loved. I am popular. Life loves me."

Great for the self-esteem, no doubt. Rubbish way to do politics.

RedToothBrush · 20/10/2018 12:25

So, to summarise, a tiny group of over-invested, sockpuppeting bullies with delusions of widespread public support: the whole thing just screams projection, doesn't it? Bless them, they're really not very bright.

I'm loving how when it becomes blindingly obvious whats going on, they decided to write this little guide.

Which just points everyone to obey Stonewall.

Its an emotional blackmail mafia organisation.

HamiltonCork · 20/10/2018 12:56

I see that the Lib Dems are going all out to lose any upcoming elections. It's utterly amazing how political parties take women's votes for granted.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/10/2018 13:05

Does the actual libdem party know this shit is going on?