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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Another gay man is coming out...

55 replies

Destinysdaughter · 23/08/2018 12:13

In support of women. It looks like some gay men are finally starting to get it and also to see how potentially homophobic the trans ideology is.

www.feministcurrent.com/2018/08/22/im-coming-support-women/

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Destinysdaughter · 23/08/2018 12:13

Clicky link

www.feministcurrent.com/2018/08/22/im-coming-support-women/

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AnyFucker · 23/08/2018 12:19

I like it

TransplantsArePlants · 23/08/2018 12:29

Good. Thank you to him. Really good article, especially in understanding sex vs gender

Oldstyle · 23/08/2018 12:33

It's a really good article. He was challenged in the comments to shift from words to action and has committed to do so. Step by baby step...

BraveAndStunning · 23/08/2018 12:33

Bravo @skylarjordan.

Thanks for speaking up and joining us. Welcome.

untoldstories · 23/08/2018 12:34

Good.

Chocolala · 23/08/2018 12:36

Good

ToeToToe · 23/08/2018 12:40

More and more gay men are waking up to this.

Great article, thank you Skylar.

LaContessaDiPlump · 23/08/2018 12:42

I like this!

boldlygoingsomewhere · 23/08/2018 12:53

Good article! It saddens me that it’s taking men speaking up for anyone to start listening to women about this. Thank you to those who are sticking their heads above the parapet though.

Wrathofjurgenklop · 23/08/2018 12:56

The fact that a man is talking about this issue, means it is likely that people will listen and acknowledge what he is saying.

This is an unpalatable truth.
However, the comments section acknowledges that females need all the voices and support we can get.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/08/2018 12:58

And this notion that we can overcome “genital preferences” is homophobic and erases our identities, as homosexual people. It doesn’t just echo the far-right conversion therapies so many of us have fought decades to end, it actively embraces these beliefs, as it implies we could become heterosexual if we just opened our minds and overcame our “preferences” for members of the same sex.

Excellent article.

heresyandwitchcraft · 23/08/2018 13:04

Thanks Skylar! Great piece. Thanks also to Meghan Murphy for her continued awesomeness in running the internet corner of sanity that is Feminist Current.

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 23/08/2018 13:06

I'm glad he's speaking out.

Transwomen are sometimes read as women and typically present as women. Just because they didn’t technically have female bodies, I reasoned, didn’t mean they weren’t subjected to the same misogyny and sexism women face every day, regardless of any biological or physiological differences.

I agree that this attitude need to be challenged. Woman isn't a dress code, woman are adult human females. Women aren't seen as men if they wear trousers designed for men and put up a shelf, men aren't seen as women if they wear a flowery shirt and read a mills and boon book.

Yet we have to pretend that's the case when someone announces that they are trans.

If women could avoid misogyny simply by identifying as men, we all would have done it years ago.

pombear · 23/08/2018 13:14

It is an unpalatable truth

I agree Wrath. I found it interesting that people (men) were commenting on twitter when Jonathan's article came out, saying it was a welcome calm, rational article after so much hostility.

And yet, so many articles I've read from the gender critical/radical feminist point of view over the last year have been similarly calm and rational, and made very similar points in similar ways - they just didn't have a man's name against them.

But I'm glad that men are becoming more visibly involved. It's good to see.

Destinysdaughter · 23/08/2018 13:23

He’s shared it on Twitter and although the majority of the comments are supportive, this person isn’t too happy...

Another gay man is coming out...
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Popchyk · 23/08/2018 13:27

Katie can never let a Twitter thread go by.

I think a lot of the TRAs wish Katie would go away. Not a great advert for the cause.

theOtherPamAyres · 23/08/2018 13:40

In the UK, gay writers like Graeme Archer pointed out the idiocy of the Conservative government's proposals, to Tory voters, in 2017:

"I'm a gay man, not LBGTQ+ and here's why Tories mustn't play the transgender identity politics game":

www.conservativehome.com/platform/2017/07/graeme-archer-im-a-gay-man-not-lgbtq-heres-why-tories-mustnt-play-the-transgender-identity-politics-game.html

dontbringmedown · 23/08/2018 13:41

Brilliant article Skylar!

theOtherPamAyres · 23/08/2018 13:43

Katie can never let a Twitter thread go by.

In response to a tweet by Sarah Vine that women don't have penises, Katie replied that she was wrong because Katie had a penis and she was a woman.

With friends like these......... Grin

Noqont · 23/08/2018 13:44

Good article.

Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 23/08/2018 13:44

Is Katie really a fifth columnist? No-one can be that ridiculously inane, surely?

Auldspinster · 23/08/2018 13:52

I follow Skylar on Twitter, he seems like a really good bloke.

Destinysdaughter · 23/08/2018 13:55

Should we tweet the article to OJ? Grin

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TransplantsArePlants · 23/08/2018 14:15

Ah Katie, a walking dictionary of adjectives