Stonewall condemn transphobia at London Pride

[SarahAr]

"As a cis lesbian I also want to condemn in the strongest terms the actions of the people yesterday who claim to represent me"

www.stonewall.org.uk/our-work/blog/trans/pride-london-transphobia

@Wanderabout

Excellent link, thank you. Posting it up again.

www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/03/the-gender-identity-movement-undermines-lesbians

Any lesbian who comes out in support of sexually harassing lesbians, could easily be one of the perpetrators, rather than the victims.

This is why words matter.

So relevant it deserves a re-post.

SarahAr - you're quoting Stonewall - on a feminist board?

In relation to a lesbian issue?

Oh, please....

It always amazes me to realise that two transwomen being in a relationship together would be called lesbians

Pfft.

OP: I know how to change people's minds. Here's a quote (from a source that, if you've been on these boards for more than a week, you'll know why people take issue with this source).

People: erm - discussion follows, other evidence, with context, to take issue with the original quote.

OP: Here's another quote. (from another source that, if you've been on these boards for more than a week, you'll know why people take issue with this source).

Other posters: Oh, yep, you're right. Thanks for correcting us all, thank goodness for quotes. (Not).

And either one, both or neither might have had surgery, they'd still be lesbians due to their women feelz. Two men with dicks having sex and they're lesbians chuckle.

And what the fucking fuck is a "cis lesbian" anyway? Most lesbians I know utterly reject the stereotypical gender role they're expected to perform....in fact, most of the women I know (biologically female people) also reject this mystical "gender" role that patriarchy has assigned to them.

Yes cis lesbian gave me a mental workout too!

And what the fucking fuck is a "cis lesbian" anyway?

Well exactly. There is no such thing. You can't be cis if you are gender nonconforming. Cis lesbian is a contradiction in terms. Lesbians are instantly gender nonconforming by virtue of their sexual orientation.

Which just exposes not only the lack of logic, but the agenda.

Cis has got nothing to do with being gender conforming and everything to do with attempting to make women a subset of their own sex.

If anything a transwoman is a cis lesbian. Utterly conforming to the gender assigned them at birth!

Lesbians are female homosexuals.

Stonewall have thrown lesbians under the bus.

Pride have thrown lesbians under the bus.

"I am enriched"
If I was trans I be feeling thoroughly condescended to.

would be

The way I feel about the lesbians protesting lesbian erasure at Pride is fortified.

I loved the way they were all so calm - there was an aura about them. The Pink News video was spine-tingling to watch.

This is how you do it sisters.

I feel so grateful to them for their courage and obvious connection to women's direct action down the years. They looked so confident. They made me feel proud to be a woman and proud of all the women down the years who have fought for our rights and added to this handed-down knowledge that when you are asked to move and remove your banners stating the facts of your deeply-held conviction, you lay down and refuse.

I could sense all the women handing down knowledge in that - all the way from the Suffragettes.

It was truly beautiful and defining to behold.

This is a lovely piece which is both sensible and compassionate.

www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15108/

Really shocking that it still needs doing. But not surprising sadly.

But astounded at all the people ignoring or being disingenuous about the blatant homophobia.

It always amazes me to realise that two transwomen being in a relationship together would be called lesbians

Yes. Welcome to TransIdeology World (TIW) where words mean what we want them to mean.

In TIW two transwomen could have a relationship that they consider "lesbian". Of course, the rest of the world - and anyone with any sense - would say that they are two gay men and therefore the word lesbian does not apply but, hey. It's all about the feelz.

Men angry some women won't have sex with them. What a surprise.

These idiot allies won't realise til it's too late and the damage is done.

It's so simple to see I'd be it? Trans is gay conversion therapy. And it does erase lesbians.
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Well done those women. So brave.

Isn't it.

Stupid auto correct

Just to throw something in there. There doesnt seem to be an issue about orientation with those transwomen who are attracted to men - i assume they would identify as heterosexual ( although as they are same sex attracted they are homosexual) . Is this where the problem lies ? That (gay) transwomen are able to more easily find sexual partners of the bisexual / male kind and that (straight) trans woman potential sexual partners are in short supply as straight women generally wouldnt be attracted to someone who presents as female even if they have a penis?

They are such brave women.

And still the righteous allies refuse to see. It was like a punch to the gut on Twitter to read people I’ve always considered as being open-minded and fair coming out with knee-jerk “anti-trans” condemnation. TRAs have done such a number on the media narrative.

It was 5 or 6 women that no one could understand as they screamed down a megaphone. After that there were almost six hours of positivity. No-one cares about these noisy women.

God 6 hours of positivity sounds exhausting. I'm surprised more people weren't up for a lie down.

Of course! Noisy women, shut up and get back to the bedroom. No one cares about you.

Are we supposed to be surprised by Stonewall’s stance OP?

Sorry to disappoint, but it is entirely predictable.

Of course they have come down on the side of the misogynist bullies. That is who they stand for.

The bbc reporting boiled my piss but at least they included a good quote from the women at the end. Just a shame the headline was leading.