Stonewall condemn transphobia at London Pride

[SarahAr]

"As a cis lesbian I also want to condemn in the strongest terms the actions of the people yesterday who claim to represent me"

www.stonewall.org.uk/our-work/blog/trans/pride-london-transphobia

Oh well if Stonewall says something it must be right. Stonewall has become a misogynistic right wing lobby group without a shred of integrity. Delusions of grandeur, they seem to think they're the real government.

And yet Quicker here you are on a thread condemning these few noisy woman who noone cares about.

How curious.

I can almost feel the beginning of the tectonic plate shift that is about to happen when TWAW is put to this test.

Activists are frantically trying to fudge it by calling lesbianism 'anti-trans' without actually mentioning lesbianism.

Yes. This ideology is so riven with internal contradictions and misogynistic horrors that it has always relied on obfuscating framing to bamboozle naive people into nodding along.

But now even the framing is collapsing.

I salute the courageous women who have made this happen.

No-one cares about these noisy women

But that just isn't true, is it. Many articles, thousand of tweets, even the first thread on here about it filled up with 1000 posts in a day.

They made an impact whichever side of the debate you are on.

Datun
You can't be cis if you are gender nonconforming.

Weirdly I keep meeting 16-18 year olds who are doing the opposite of this - they claim to be trans or non binary or gender queer but are complete gender conforming. They claim to be pansexual or queer but are always in heterosexual relationships with other "non binary" etc gender conformers. They seem completely blind to this reality and if you point it out online they go apeshit, point it out in real life and they go quiet and look both silly and like they've been caught with their hand in the cake tin.

It is striking how much these gender conforming mostly heterosexual queer people rely on standing with each other to look like a pack of subcultural rebels. When you stand them next to ordinary grown up women they really do just look silly. Next to a group of non conforming lesbians even more so - they look like shallow little peacocks going through a teenage fad. Which they are! I dont know why anyone takes it seriously, it is only one step on from loom bands.

I remember when I visited uni with my school friends way back when. A very astute friend of mine looked around at everyone milling about, all 'alternatively' dressed, and said,

"They all try so hard to be different, and they all end up exactly the same..."

It's a phrase that has stayed with me through the years and seems more than ever now.

I simply can't be arsed anymore #everyblessing x

It was 5 or 6 women that no one could understand as they screamed down a megaphone. After that there were almost six hours of positivity.

So you think lesbians standing up for the rights of other lesbians to not accept penises is negative? At an 'L' gbt event?

Lol.

it is only one step on from loom bands

floral non uniform day always cracks me up. It’s the most uniform day there is, everyone wears their matching hollister hoodies and nobody tries to deviate from the norm like they do on all other days

I dont know why anyone takes it seriously, it is only one step on from loom bands.

Bwhahahaha! That's hilarious

It's true though! I think that's why the loudest opposition to this nonsense has come from mothers. We can see exactly what it is!

I dont know why anyone takes it seriously, it is only one step on from loom bands.

Too right!

They will grow up and think 'what the fuck was I thinking?' but with some it will too late as they will have no breasts/penis and be sterile forever.

And the people that were behind them, egging them on, will be long gone.

SarahAr - splendid work. Now even more people know about the cotton ceiling.

The TRAs think coming on here and telling women what they should be thinking just makes their MRA agenda clearer each and every time.

Keep on keeping on - yes actual lesbians don't want penises.

Those that are pushing penises, are not actual lesbians but are rapey types; and we all know who tend to be the rapey ones don't we?

and that (straight) trans woman potential sexual partners are in short supply as straight women generally wouldnt be attracted to someone who presents as female even if they have a penis?

Not so much that a straight woman wouldn't be attracted to a transwoman, more that that being straight doesn't validate the transwoman being a woman.

A transwomen will not want to sleep with a straight woman, because it is telling the world that the straight woman thinks they're not a woman.

There is no validation.

If you are a man who claims you are an actual woman ( as opposed to many transwomen who know they are male) , but still want to sleep with women, the only cohort possible is lesbians.

Loving the loom bands comment.

And the fact that it's mothers who see through a lot of this. Given that mothers are women, they see through all of it, in fact.

current thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301033-Get-the-L-Out-Statement-by-the-lesbian-protesters-at-Pride-London

includes links to
Stonewall, Aimee Challoner & NUS LGBT call for resignation of Pride London's organising committee.

Article in today's Times:

"Transgender muffin exercise ‘sends wrong message’"

(extract)

The “mixed-muffin gender berry challenge” is one of a number of exercises included in Agenda, a free online toolkit distributed to more than 1,400 young people across Wales.

Its author, Emma Renold, professor of childhood studies at Cardiff University, has received a £10,000 award for her work, including the Agenda guide, which aims to teach young people about healthy relationships and raise awareness of sexual violence and discrimination.

Critics have warned that the toolkit’s guide to transgender identity does more harm than good.

The exercise distributes muffins around a group. Those whose cakes have blueberries inside are asked to stand by blue balloons, representing the stereotype of masculinity in one corner of the room. Those with raspberry muffins are asked to stand by pink balloons, representing the stereotype of femininity, in another corner. Those with mixed muffins found that they had no place to stand. “After this activity, we asked how they felt being categorised according to a muffin they did not choose, what it felt like to go to a gender-coded corner that they might not identify with, and what it felt like not to have a corner at all,” the guide said.

“This got us all talking about how we come into the world already coded through gender labels; how you can’t assume someone’s gender by how they look: what it feels like to be given a gender you might not choose; and not to have your gender represented at all.”

Critics have accused the guide of falsely presenting transgender and non-binary identities as the only alternative for people who do not fit sexist stereotypes.

Kathleen Stock from the University of Sussex, who is working on the conflict of rights in the transgender debate, said the “confused and contradictory” exercise “read a bit like satire.”

She said: “The materials are troubling because they effectively encourage young people, and particularly gender non-conforming girls and young lesbians, to conclude that their distressing feelings aren’t just a sign that the world is sexist, but rather a sign that they themselves need fixing.” (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/transgender-muffin-exercise-sends-wrong-message-gs7z0zgcz?shareToken=ea2ec30452154fd415bc89a9716f49e1

I’m a straight woman and I absolutely support my lesbian sisters. There is nothing at all anti trans about being pro women. Women’s voices are being heard and people are waking up.

No-one cares about these noisy women

Nope, noone cares about these noisy women. Noone is talking about them, or starting threads, or ranting on twitter, or releasing press statements or writing articles or having meetings to prevent more noisy women being noisy.

Noone

What KarenMcInnes says.

That muffin thing does read like satire. Surely noone could be so stupid as to make that up or use it as training materials in real life??

Yes - another straight woman here 100% in support of those brave lesbians.

I have been watching the Lucy Wolsey documentary on suffragettes and there are so many parallels here with society's disapproval of 'noisy' 'screaming' women who dare to speak out. When suffragettes marched, they were ridiculed and caricatures of old hags and harpies with sharp teeth and deformed features were distributed. Not much has changed really, has it?