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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Guess how I got suspended from the Labour Party?

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IAmDavidLewis · 22/05/2018 23:17

Well, one of the weirdest days in my life concluded with me receiving a letter informing me of my immediate suspension from the Labour Party. They believe I may have breached the rules by subverting the intention of All Women Shortlists, Women’s Officers or minimum quotas for women. Unfortunately, this does mean that my political ambitions are on hold for a while. I shall of course be continuing to self-identify as a woman every Wednesday, as that is my gender identity...

I have to say a huge thanks to @namechangeah for all her help, guidance and, more importantly, proof-reading! I wouldn’t have gotten to this point without it. I’d also like to thank everyone for their support today. I hope this has helped a bit.

And the Telegraph called me an “activist”! Achievement unlocked Grin

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HaroldsSocalledBluetits · 23/05/2018 13:39

Linda Bellos is going to be on.

Ereshkigal · 23/05/2018 13:40

I can't call in. Is it a phone in show?

R0wantrees · 23/05/2018 13:40

Jane Fae characterises David's actions as 'mischevious' 'mean spirited' and what he is doing will 'result in people getting beat up on a Saturday night'

HaroldsSocalledBluetits · 23/05/2018 13:41

Oh god here we go - James is responsible for people being beaten up.

Destinysdaughter · 23/05/2018 13:41

Jane saying what he is doing ( David) will result in trans women getting beaten up on a Saturday night!

Ereshkigal · 23/05/2018 13:41

I would love to but have a meeting! Hoping to surreptitiously follow here.

speakingwoman · 23/05/2018 13:42

What's all this about how we'd be ok to have David as women's officer because of this (admittedly) awesome thing he's done?

David can't be woman's office because he is a bloke. Being a good bloke, even an inspirational bloke, still leaves you unqualified to be women's officer. This may be disappointing for you as you identify as a woman on Wednesdays but the need to appoint someone with lived experience of being an adult human female trumps your identity.

Ereshkigal · 23/05/2018 13:42

Same old same old. Emotional blackmail. DARVO.

HaroldsSocalledBluetits · 23/05/2018 13:42

Oops sorry David not James.

R0wantrees · 23/05/2018 13:43

Linda Bellos, 'the reason we need AWS is because of discrimination women experience now' 'not saying that trans men and women don't experience discrimination but this is different'

R0wantrees · 23/05/2018 13:44

Jane Fae comparing the prefix trans to being a poor (woman) etc
Saying all women have different lived experiences.

Destinysdaughter · 23/05/2018 13:46

Ooh Mumsnet gets a mention!

R0wantrees · 23/05/2018 13:46

Linda Bellos is saying that her experience as a child eg playing football would be regarded as 'trans'
Jane Fae rejects this and asks for evidence.
Linda Bellos talks about the recent surge and asks why this is happening.
Jane Fae references 'bizarre theories on Mumsnet' eg big pharma.

Melamin · 23/05/2018 13:47

trans woman is not a woman with a prefix

It is someone who has become a woman on a legal technicality by the process of transition.

LaSqrrl · 23/05/2018 13:48

Saying all women have different lived experiences.

LOL, except for when the class analysis applied to trans kicks in, and then it is all trans, regardless of circumstance, the most oppressed in the universe. Even Caitlin Jenner. So very oppressed.

EmpressOfSpartacus · 23/05/2018 13:48

Saying all women have different lived experiences.

Which we do. Only we live our experiences in bodies with XX chromosomes & vulvas.

R0wantrees · 23/05/2018 13:49

JV references Germaine Greer.
Linda Bellos draws distinction with born female.

Flomper · 23/05/2018 13:49

God Jane is tedious.

Jezza is on board

LighthouseSouth · 23/05/2018 13:50

Melamin "It is someone who has become a woman on a legal technicality by the process of transition"

well arguably it is at the moment but that's exactly what self ID is trying to change.

speakingwoman · 23/05/2018 13:51

can anyone explain how Linda differs from Greer?

HaroldsSocalledBluetits · 23/05/2018 13:53

Bellos tried to cram too much into a short phone call and ended up sounding muddled.

IAmDavidLewis · 23/05/2018 13:54

@speakingwoman Thank you. @SwearyG asked if I was going to phone in to Jeremy Vine. I wasn’t planning to, as there are people who are far better at talking about this issue than I am. The debate is not mine to have, but if my actions have prompted it, then I hope the opportunity is used well.

And I agree. Biological reality and lived experience would seem to be good qualifications for women’s-only positions.

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HaroldsSocalledBluetits · 23/05/2018 13:55

Strong end message though - that women have experienced lifelong discrimination as a result of their sex and trans women have a different experience.

AbsintheFriends · 23/05/2018 13:55

Agreed it was muddled. Should have stuck to the exact issue of AWS without trying to eat the whole elephant.

changeypants · 23/05/2018 13:55

poor women, black women etc etc. much left to appropriate?

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