We will get there

[Pratchet]

Just want to give a few vibes out because it's been a little depressing on here today. We will do this. We will get there. Women of mumsnet, you are incredible, and when it's all over, your role will go down in feminist history.

Much dramatic. But I don't care

Twunting fuckwits

I'll probably be deleted for piss-taking (see what I did there ) now.

For never is a woman allowed to engage in humour and satire when their rights and privacy are being taken away.

I was going to post that i was worried id lowered the tone of the thread

Then anita posted her 'piss' post

So there is lower...and it wasnt me

Ha - always happy to lower the tone

The NUS have just passed a motion that "fascism is bad"

Thank goodness. Where would we be without the great minds of these students? Picking up right where WWII left off.

Hehehe "passed a motion" ...

Incredible

beyond went lower

Just always remember that everytime you share your insight in real life with other people you are creating another feminist!

I've never met anyone who can't understand the feminist perspective after they "get it".

Obviously many willfully don't get it, like at Oxford student union... Stella Creasey. .. The Guardian...

You just have to ignore these elitists with an agenda who wouldn't recognise inequality even if it slapped them in the face.

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Fucking "fascism is bad" how does it need to be said?

Do they know what actual fascism is? I'm guessing not seeing as they actual mean "anyone who disagrees with our elitist view of life is fascist"

To be fair, the NUS were always a bunch of wankers and I was at Uni 30 years ago

They are wankers, unfortunately that's weighed up against free cheeseburgers from McDonald's though so...

(and reduced rates for reading terfery in the times)

Not all of them are wankers

(And ds1 student discount card comes in very handy sometimes)

Yes. We WILL.

This, all of this, from TRA tactics to MN deletions makes me MORE resolved, not less.

Let's take it to RL. Those who can, go to the meetings. Meet up in real life. Exchange details. Create real life communities and networks of like-minded women.

Yes, MN is a valuable forum. But if it is taken away from us, we will not stop and we will not be silenced.

when I think the whole world has gone mad - and then start worrying that in fact it's just me on the wrong side, FWR keeps me sane.

Obviously many willfully don't get it, like at Oxford student union... Stella Creasey. .. The Guardian

Even The Guardian has now run a few articles that point out that someone with a penis is different from a woman, and that sometimes that matters.

The Oxford Student Union letter against WPUK meeting openly stated that it was against women meeting to talk about being oppressed on the basis of their sex. It also suggested people support ATH, an organisation with a manifesto arguing for the release of all trans prisoners which also states:

There will be no clinics, and no authorities. We will conduct our own research, and experiment with our own bodies. We will heal and grow together. We will accumulate knowledge and share it freely and accessibly. We demand nothing less than the total abolition of the clinic, of psychiatry, and of the medical-industrial complex. We demand an end to capitalist & colonialist “medicine”

Stella Creasy? IDK. I gave up on trying to understand her POV when a parent contacted her on twitter to say "my daughter aged 11 was forced to undress while another girl watched and played with his erect penis. No one supports this, but equally no one seems able to stand up and insist this doesnt happen." And she had nothing to say other than 'peer on peer abuse' is not ok. Which was really not the point, was it?

Hope no-one minds if I put this out there:

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/may/01/matt-groening-on-the-simpsons-apu-row-people-love-to-pretend-theyre-offended

I haven't read it, I just thought it might make a cathartic Topic at this time. YMMV.

@Rufustheconstantreindeer Yes! NAMAW! These bastards even give masturbation a bad name.

madbaddaddy

I'll have a look at that...the majority of my family are massive Simpsons fans

They certainly pull no punches

They don't pull punches, and they have been on the back foot about it recently, too.

Thank-you I was starting to feel an element of despair that in the main we're older women who are in this fight for the next generation of women who seem to have all bought into the whole handmaiden role and was wondering why I don't just keep my head down.

I find some of the threads move so fast I haven't time to read everything that's already been said before commenting so don't post much, I suspect I'm not alone in that

"why I don't just keep my head down?" there's only ever one answer to that, and you only ever question it when looking away from the problem.

Spare rib: please don't keep your head down! I was talking to a 19 year old gender critical student at a VERY woke university and she feels almost totally silenced. Women like her need us, we are versed in the arguments, the tactics, the rounded coherence of feminism that is so so absent from general discourse. Let's not stop!! 💐💐💐💐

And apart from anything else my young daughter needs your voice if she's to grow up with any rights left at all. Please please don't silence yourself. Thank you for speaking up.

Oh I hope we get there. Or at least somewhere better than this.

This place is incredible. watching all those scientists take apart a nonsense argument on crispbutty's transphobia article thread was amazing.

Mumsnet continues to change my live

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Lovely thread. We’ve got this. Never, ever give up.