Transwomen should be considered for all women shortlist,Guardian

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www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/11/trans-women-should-be-considered-for-all-women-shortlists-labour-dawn-butler#img

'We will be taking guidance from people who are LGBT -who don't all agree-round the table.You need people who have lived experience in order to make informed decisions'
Well the last line is certainly a fact.

Dawn is the shadow Secretary of State for Women and Equalities.

This is already happening.

They're also being used to make up numbers in 'gender balance' on committees. One of our committees is now 70:30 male to female, and no one is allowed to notice.

Fuck's sake.

I think that's all I've got left at this stage.

I went to a Labour Party meeting tonight for the first time since Iraq. I was feeling lukewarm about it but having seen this, seriously, they can forget it. If they refuse to define woman and refuse to recognise the male privilege and entitlement in taking these roles, they can whistle for my support

Sorry what?? My mind is boggling on a daily basis at this insanity. So if James comes in and says he's called Jane now, Labour will say please enter our all-women shortlist Jane, you're welcome. Meanwhile another woman gets pushed out from being on the list. They could end up with all-women shortlists containing no actual women but not to worry, it's important not to make a big fuss.

I'm with you Annie

It's all a bit, 'What fresh Hell...

simmering thoughts and

I’m almost welcoming it. If it sends the Labour Party to its destruction quicker and takes this shit with it. No woman can vote for them, surely? I’ve beem a centre left voter all my life but would rather vote Tory than tolerate this.

Backingvocals
The Tories started this with the GRA.
I think Labours stance followed by your response is what they were hoping would happen

Quite possibly.

God, I wish I could even vote green or Lib dem. But there are all full of the same BS.

And even the WOMEN'S EQUALITY PARTY (WEP)

Heather Brunskell-Evans, who spoke so eloquently at the meeting in Glasgow last night was ostracised from the WEP for daring to challenge the trans agenda.

Its a fucking joke isn't it? Monty Pythonesque.

So half of the population is now irrelevant? Equality my arse.

Orwell is spinning in his grave.

No woman can vote for them, surely?

But they do. They fucking do.

The all women shortlist where every member has a penis will happen soon.

FFS

'You need people who have lived experience in order to make informed decisions'

Does that include 'James' who has zero lived experience as a woman but announces that he's a woman anyone because he feels like it? I can't believe anyone is taking this utter stupidity seriously. Another Labour voter here who won't be touching them with a bargepole until this gets sorted out

I think people are overreacting. There's a transition period where trans women are being settled into the category of women. In reality there's unlikely to be many trans women in any given 'women's group'. This is all just very distracting from our main goal as women for equality and a fairer slice of the pie. I don't care if some of the women coming with us are trans women. They clearly care about women enough to go through what they have to live as one so I think they may make very good advocates for women in some ways. We are all different people but have value just as we are.

Do name me a trans woman in the public eye who has anything valuable to say about maternity, childcare, pay gap...

Mainly they tell women to enjoy catcalling.

UnitedKungdom Don't bother trying to reason. This is just their TBTOTD (Trans-Bashing Thread Of The Day). I do wish MN would give them their own board so they can rage away in their own corner like the pedants, or change the title of the Feminism board since that's all it seems to be these days. It's wearying.

‘In reality there's unlikely to be many trans women in any given 'women's group’

This is not true, especially of lesbian groups. Pink news had a list of ‘lgbt hero’s of 2017’ and they didn’t put a single female lesbians in it, they had around 6 ‘Male lesbians’ so they thought they’d filled their quota. After an outcry they put in one. One female lesbian in a sea of ‘Male lesbians’.

I’m have to ask... a male lesbian is... a man who is attracted to women? So a straight man then?

They clearly care about women enough to go through what they have to live as one

What has Lily Madigan gone through and in what way is Lily 'living as a woman'? What does it mean to 'live as a woman'?

Yup, that’s the one.
Also known as the most oppressed group ever ever ever amen.

I know elphaba. Evil bloody women who keep insisting on sharing actual facts such as the LP trans woman officer who only represents trans interests and actively won't represent biological women's interests because it's cis normative and their publically stated ideal is to separate biology from the concept of women - because it excludes men who want to self define. Total bores who won't participate in their own erasure and be nice like women are supposed to be while being abused! And won't shut up and let women be gaslighted into thinking this is a lovely flyffybequality experience instead of the biggest threat to the rights of women in a century.

Why on earth would any sensible woman want to talk about that?