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A lack of humour and self reflection is not helping.

Meghan at an event and not speaking is a rare occurrence! If she does go, I expect standing by the side of Harry, biting her lip, holding back the tears (there is previous video of Diane doing the same), then Harry will offer her the microphone and reluctantly she will take it and speak........

She's as hard as nails. It hasn't bothered her for the past several years .

‘He will still be accompanied by the Duchess, in what will be her first public appearance since the allegations about her father first surfaced last month.’

I don’t get why the hell she’s going!! Stay with your kids for Christs sake. Man child can be handled by grown ups, he doesn't need looked after.

Harry’s medals (NB this picture is not from yesterday). From left to right - the Operational Service Medal for Afghanistan, the Queen's Golden Jubilee Medal, the Queen's Diamond Jubilee Medal and the Queen's Platinum Jubilee Medal (he was definitely alive and an appropriate recipient for all those latter three!)

Around his neck he has the insignia of a Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order, which is his highest order.

Out of interest, William wears the same three Jubilee medals as Harry, plus Charles’ coronation medal. Harry has that, we understand, but doesn’t wear it.

It’s not that he attended, it’s the way he went about it …us here know that he released a statement stating that he would , we also know that he can’t help but brief the media….and we also know that the area he is located in does not take pictures of celebrities and post them ….hence the complete lack of pictures from the locals upto this point!
i did not attend anything for personal reasons, autistic children don’t have the ability for silence on important occasions…my dh as ex forces honours it his own way.

And who is the hero of this story? Not Harry. Not the dead children the installation commemorates. Not the children her father allegedly abused. Not her father, a humiliated, elderly amputee accused of the crime that above all others provokes contempt and disgust. The hero is Meghan, who was not too fragile to speak in public after the Loveless letters in 2019, nor after writing to her father in December 2025 saying he would never meet his grandchildren.

The photos are enough – failing a convincing alternative explanation. As I said. Of course that’s why you have a trial. That’s quite compatible with what I said.

Honestly, I don’t think this is worth arguing about any further.

Absolutely. It would have been perfectly possible for Harry to attend a Remembrance event and not appear in the papers, lots of minor Royals do so without alerting the paps. There were events all over the country and in every church.
He wanted to be seen and photographed. Job done.

It’s strange that she can’t speak at a time like this…..but she can leave her kids.

a defence lawyer may be able to prove otherwise.

If he or she has a convincing alternative explanation. Quite.

No, there is no need for 'a convincing alternative explanation'.

There is only need for there to be reasonable doubt about the explanation provided by the prosecution.

However, it would be good if the subject of the TM case were moved to a different thread.

I agree with some of what you say. My son (not military ) went to the Remembrance service at his church , I went to our local Remembrance service , Dh was out and about but stopped and stayed quiet for the 2 minutes ( OK that doesn't count in the same way - fair play )

I can't speak for all , but some critics will have been bothered to attend something because it's important. I get your point though. I'm glad he went to a low key event. Letting his current newspaper of record publish those photographs - not so good. He could perhaps have some sway to say please don't publish. Who knows.

I do like many of your posts , so I'm not up for a an argument 😂 but I think there will be more than me who did get up and attend something. How many - no idea - so there you have a point re the wondering - I freely admit.

Yes, why does she need to be there? Harry is 42. He can look after himself can't he? OK, maybe not but surely he'll have 'minders'? Her kids have been through a lot of upheaval recently and surely need her more than her husband does.

I do not know why you want to continue with your "he is guilty, the photos prove it" narrative, despite others trying to point out every defendant is innocent until proven guilty and a trial will lay out the case for the prosecution and the defence. You, nor can anyone, including the FBI currently do not have any insight into the direction the defence will take.

In the US and the UK, cases are sent for trial if there is deemed a good case to gain a conviction, that does not mean a conviction is guaranteed.

I believe there are different reporting restrictions in the US than here, but your comments continuously saying TM is guilty, may in the UK be part of a defence being able to prove their client would not have a fair trial, therefore I think everyone has to be very careful in their words until a verdict has been delivered.

Do you think M will go ? I know that wild horses wouldn’t normally keep her away from the possibility of a camera but there could be a real risk of boos and awkward questions . Wonder what Liam advises ?

Ignore me if this has already been posted, but Harry's medals are:
Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order, the Operational Service Medal for Afghanistan, the Queen's Golden Jubilee Medal, the Queen's Daimond Jubilee Medal and the Queen's Platinum Jubilee Medal

The first was a personal gift from the Queen, the second completely legitimate and the last three just handed out to members of the RF "because they were there" - also presumably so that lesser members who'd done little could have more of them to wear at events

The sad thing is, though, that if there had been no opportunity for PR, I’m not 100% convinced that Harry would have got up off his backside. He dodged the memorial for the Marines murdered at Deal, and he went to a party at the Kardashian’s bizarrely sporting a poppy. Also we had the odd, performative memorial that he and Meghan did when they were first in the States. The cynic in me thinks that Harry attending remembrance was in a large part influenced by the fact that his father and brother were at some do at the Cenotaph and he didn’t want to be entirely left out. I hope I’m wrong

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If he or she has a convincing alternative explanation.

'A convincing alternative explanation' is the definition of what defending counsel does. A court doesn't start from 'well, the photos make it obvious he's guilty, convince us otherwise.' Prosecution and defence do their jobs and a jury decides.

your comments continuously saying TM is guilty, may in the UK be part of a defence being able to prove their client would not have a fair trial, therefore I think everyone has to be very careful in their words until a verdict has been delivered.

Agreed

This isn't the Thomas Markle thread. Please take the detailed discussion of his case to a different thread.

The top 13 risks of an unescorted H for M are:

• speaking out of turn ('My wife never told me about the letter from the Met')
• kissing another woman on the cheek
• kissing other women on the cheek
• hugging women
• dancing with women
• revealing who set up their blind date
• showing the audience front-facing photos of the Hamlets
• not sharing his lip gloss
• sharing his lipgloss (because germs)
• wearing pantyhose
• applying Elizabeth Arden Eight Hour todger cream in public
• snorting a line off the lectern
• sprinkling the audience with bits of dried flowers (piss-taking British humour)

Careful, Puzzled, the jubilee medals are handed out to anyone who served, in the emergency services or in a public role as well as anyone in the armed forces as recognition that indeed “they were there”, as there is more to service than just active duty. So they are quite important too 😊

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@smilesy - just to check , those other medals apart from the Afganistan one were given to other members of the general public . Just to check I'm right ie they weren't just a gift from Grandma.

Or …….the scales could finally be falling from his eyes and he realises that the last few years have not turned out the way he hoped . He misses his family, friends , being a real Royal etc . If it is true that M knew but didn’t tell H about the letter (s) then he may well be feeling aggrieved that he took the blame for M “ losing” her father when the reality is rather different.
Going to a Remembrance Day event ( even with Sun photographer in tow) is more Royal than going to a Kardashian party.
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