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Discussion about Charles Spencer's book - Swan Song : Diana, my sister , Beautiful, Beloved, Hunted.

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BasiliskStare · 18/09/2026 13:13

I know there is a thread about the theft of some pre publication editions of this book.
This thread is more by way of a book club discussion about the actual book , the text. Threads will go where they will , but my intention is this is more for me to give my opinion on the book and for others who read it or are interested in the book to join in. I have pre-ordered from Kindle (half price otherwise I may not have 😊) But is only available on September 22nd. So a holding place if you like.

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jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 14:05

ShamedBySiri · Yesterday 10:53

I had no plans to either read or buy the book, but now I am tempted to buy a copy before they get pulped - but that would give penguin/CS some of my hard earned cash and I imagine there will be enough of these first editions out there that it won't have any particular future value above standard charity shop price.

I am also giving consideration to buying a copy and then returning it to the publishers and demanding a refund on the basis of inaccuracies. But I think the ratio of effort to satisfaction is probably low so I don't think I can be bothered. It would be funny if a lot of people did that though.

I recall listening to a mother and child on the radio 4 flagship consumer programme that used to be on around lunchtime back in the day, where the child had noticed a misprint in the latest Harry Potter book and was returning it with a complaint and demand for a refund. The mother sounded so proud of her precocious, priggish child. I just thought "You stupid woman, you are encouraging your child to be a thoroughly obnoxious lifelong complainer".
It irritated me so much, that's why I remember it. As children we weren't allowed to complain! I tried to install similar in my own children but unfortunately I married a complainer so I was destined to fail but hopefully have managed at least to temper complaints with a sense of proportion.

AI summary of what happened

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The user is likely thinking of the highly publicized real-world event from October 2000, when a 9-year-old child named Laila Banjar from Somerset spotted a glaring editorial error in the first edition of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. 1]
The Misprint Details
The Error: On page 503 of the UK edition, the book mistakenly reads, “‘Dumbledore, come!’ said Crouch angrily.” 1]
The Problem: The character Barty Crouch Sr. had already gone missing much earlier in the plot (on page 485). The line was actually supposed to be spoken by the Minister for Magic, Cornelius Fudge. 1]
The Response: Laila’s mother emailed the publisher, Bloomsbury, who admitted the mistake and stated they were "very upset that this error went unnoticed until after printing". 1]

The Radio 4 Connection & Refund Demand
Following the discovery, the story was picked up across British national media, including newspapers and BBC Radio 4, where the logistical absurdity of the error—and whether such a mistake warranted a product refund or book recall—was discussed.
A spokesperson for Bloomsbury publicly responded to the wave of children writing in, noting that it would be "very unusual to withdraw books because of such a small error," especially given how many millions of copies had already been printed. Ironically, rather than making the books worthless, these uncorrected first editions with the "Crouch misprint" became highly sought-after collectors' items.

Wherever they are now the parent and former child are probably kicking themselves…..those Harry potter books with a misprint were rare and now worth thousands of pounds!!!!!

wordler · Yesterday 14:06

There’s no way the corgi ears happened. I can imagine Philip saying something like “how would you feel if we pinned one of the corgis ears back?”

But the the idea that he’d have ordered cruel and unnecessary surgery on a family dog and it was never noticed or talked about before now is ridiculous.

upinaballoon · Yesterday 14:08

noonames · Yesterday 13:24

I remember there being a window behind too. I can’t remember the details of the story of how it was shot now - whether having the window behind was the crew’s suggestion, or whether QE2 was set on that and it was difficult for them to light. Or maybe there was something about getting power to the camera. Anyway, all resolved respectfully and amicably. Philip was there though, and part of the discussion of how to do it.

I found it on YouTube with some of the 6 p.m. News following. I apologise for the lie I told. I think the Queen spoke to the nation at 5.55 p.m., just before 6 p.m. Anna Ford was the newsreader and John Simpson reported from the afternoon's walkabout to look at the flowers et cetera.

JustAnotherWhinger · Yesterday 14:14

I think the Queen’s speech was shot as it was because from her speech (and the window behind her was open) you could see the crowds in the background, then from outside you could see the open window and the lights set up for the speech.

So it was a very visual thing - which obviously not being seen was something they were getting criticised for at that point.

queenofarles · Yesterday 14:44

I just cant get past the books title , I keep reading it Swag song , surely it can’t be just me?

anyways I wish they just let the poor woman rest in peace. She died in an unfortunate accident three decades ago, all the underlined insinuations and conspiracies need to stop.

everyone should stop books , interviews, documentaries And move on, it is profitable but at the same so very wrong.

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · Yesterday 14:49

@Basilisk, how does he describe Diana pushing Raine down the stairs? I think I find this one of the more shocking things in the book, forget the hissing or snarling of others, it shows Diana in an appalling light.

bluegreygreen · Yesterday 15:34

Private Eye:

Discussion about Charles Spencer's book - Swan Song : Diana, my sister , Beautiful, Beloved, Hunted.
quaintireneofrye · Yesterday 16:07

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · Yesterday 14:49

@Basilisk, how does he describe Diana pushing Raine down the stairs? I think I find this one of the more shocking things in the book, forget the hissing or snarling of others, it shows Diana in an appalling light.

She hoooked her leg around Raine's, then gave her a shove. Diana was an adult at the time.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · Yesterday 16:18

quaintireneofrye · Yesterday 16:07

She hoooked her leg around Raine's, then gave her a shove. Diana was an adult at the time.

How nice. Using your superior strength to physically assault a middle aged woman so she had no chance of saving herself from the fall.

TypingTootOnMyCommute · Yesterday 16:20

I can (just about) understand a very disgruntled young teen doing something like that in a flash of temper and rush of hormones.

Just not a grown woman.

eta - by the way, I think it is absolutely a dreadful thing to do to anyone. Raine is lucky she didn’t break her neck.

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · Yesterday 16:41

So why is CS telling the world about it, does he want to make her look bad?

quaintireneofrye · Yesterday 16:45

TypingTootOnMyCommute · Yesterday 16:20

I can (just about) understand a very disgruntled young teen doing something like that in a flash of temper and rush of hormones.

Just not a grown woman.

eta - by the way, I think it is absolutely a dreadful thing to do to anyone. Raine is lucky she didn’t break her neck.

Edited

It was September 1989, so Diana was 28, a mother of two, and the Princess of Wales.

TypingTootOnMyCommute · Yesterday 16:47

I know.

TypingTootOnMyCommute · Yesterday 16:48

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · Yesterday 16:41

So why is CS telling the world about it, does he want to make her look bad?

You’d be forgiven for thinking so.

I’m thinking so.

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 17:42

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · Yesterday 16:41

So why is CS telling the world about it, does he want to make her look bad?

He goes on to add, post stair pushing incident, “a day or two later, at my father’s funeral, with animosity between the parties at exactly the same pitch, Diana made a perverse gesture”

She went over to hold Raine’s hand and CS says she lacked “sincerity” here as hated her more than any of them. For cameras/appearances sake.

It makes her sound thoroughly unstable & with friends like these…

I think he’s trying to say she was complex but so much here possibly gives a worse impression than many previously held.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · Yesterday 17:47

So she pushed not just her detested stepmother downstairs but the stepmother who was a grieving widow and only a couple of days after the death of that woman's husband?

Is he under the impression that this shows Diana in a good light?

TypingTootOnMyCommute · Yesterday 17:52

Yet another person who is aggrieved that they have a shinier sibling.

H is always going to bitter about that but imagine being so bitter that you still feel the need to do it when your sibling has been dead for 30 years.

What a pair of absolutely horrible human beings.

JustAnotherWhinger · Yesterday 17:53

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 17:42

He goes on to add, post stair pushing incident, “a day or two later, at my father’s funeral, with animosity between the parties at exactly the same pitch, Diana made a perverse gesture”

She went over to hold Raine’s hand and CS says she lacked “sincerity” here as hated her more than any of them. For cameras/appearances sake.

It makes her sound thoroughly unstable & with friends like these…

I think he’s trying to say she was complex but so much here possibly gives a worse impression than many previously held.

Edited

His father’s funeral was in 1992.

i thought he said she pushed Raine down the stairs just before his wedding in 1989.

i don’t have my book to hand, but the wedding and funeral are way more than a few days apart.

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 17:54

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 17:42

He goes on to add, post stair pushing incident, “a day or two later, at my father’s funeral, with animosity between the parties at exactly the same pitch, Diana made a perverse gesture”

She went over to hold Raine’s hand and CS says she lacked “sincerity” here as hated her more than any of them. For cameras/appearances sake.

It makes her sound thoroughly unstable & with friends like these…

I think he’s trying to say she was complex but so much here possibly gives a worse impression than many previously held.

Edited

No, my mistake it was earlier re: the stair pushing. JS died suddenly some time later. Diana had had a furious public row with her. Making her empty her suitcases on the drive.

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 17:55

JustAnotherWhinger · Yesterday 17:53

His father’s funeral was in 1992.

i thought he said she pushed Raine down the stairs just before his wedding in 1989.

i don’t have my book to hand, but the wedding and funeral are way more than a few days apart.

My mistake - it was post another big row.

JustAnotherWhinger · Yesterday 17:56

Does if definitely say a day or two later? Not a year or two?

As he certainly described the incident as happening after his wedding rehearsal, and that was why their mother was at Althorp (as that’s what Diana and Raine argued over).

cross posted

JustAnotherWhinger · Yesterday 17:57

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 17:54

No, my mistake it was earlier re: the stair pushing. JS died suddenly some time later. Diana had had a furious public row with her. Making her empty her suitcases on the drive.

Edited

Ah ok. That makes sense.

Yes, the stories of how Raine was treated after her husbands death are horrid

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 18:01

JustAnotherWhinger · Yesterday 17:57

Ah ok. That makes sense.

Yes, the stories of how Raine was treated after her husbands death are horrid

In defence of CS, if accurate, she sounds unpleasant saying she’d be married within the year to someone else, pretending JS was due to buy her a ££ painting so she was due this money & entertaining other men or something at house when he was very sick.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · Yesterday 18:02

What a lovely family the Spencers sound.

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 18:07

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · Yesterday 18:02

What a lovely family the Spencers sound.

Which makes me wonder at the wisdom of the QM etc thinking Diana a suitable match (?) 19 & malleable? Her mother had deserted her - she was vulnerable, badly affected.