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Discussion about Charles Spencer's book - Swan Song : Diana, my sister , Beautiful, Beloved, Hunted.

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BasiliskStare · 18/09/2026 13:13

I know there is a thread about the theft of some pre publication editions of this book.
This thread is more by way of a book club discussion about the actual book , the text. Threads will go where they will , but my intention is this is more for me to give my opinion on the book and for others who read it or are interested in the book to join in. I have pre-ordered from Kindle (half price otherwise I may not have 😊) But is only available on September 22nd. So a holding place if you like.

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Thedom · Yesterday 10:05

quaintireneofrye · Yesterday 09:58

On the LK interview, Spencer was highly critical of KC using his title in his rebuttal of the book. Spencer said "I have a title but I don't use mine".
Fast forward to his exchange with Piers Morgan; the statement refers to him as "Earl Spencer" twice.
How hypocritical.

Maybe he is suffering from some cognitive decline, 🤷‍♀️ it’s all a bit strange how he is forgetting things, contradicting himself and misremembering.

quaintireneofrye · Yesterday 10:05

JustAnotherWhinger · Yesterday 10:04

That statement also called his sister Princess Diana, which in a swathe of titles she did have over the years that was not one of them.

Yes, I'm always surprised at that basic inaccuracy.

JustAnotherWhinger · Yesterday 10:06

quaintireneofrye · Yesterday 10:05

Yes, I'm always surprised at that basic inaccuracy.

The BBC did it yesterday as well. I’ve lost all hope of titles being used properly.

I don’t have a thing for titles, but I do think if you are going to use titles (as the RF do, and as Earl Spencer does) you should do so correctly.

JustAnotherWhinger · Yesterday 10:08

One thing that is striking me about the book is that it seems to contradict the Andrew Morton book a few times.

We know that book was Diana’s own words so it seems very odd to me that a book supposedly about giving truth about her life would contradict her own words.

TypingTootOnMyCommute · Yesterday 10:10

I imagine if CS was the monarch, he’d be kinging himself up all over the place.

He is just coming across as though he is as odious as his little spare nephew.

quaintireneofrye · Yesterday 10:10

JustAnotherWhinger · Yesterday 10:08

One thing that is striking me about the book is that it seems to contradict the Andrew Morton book a few times.

We know that book was Diana’s own words so it seems very odd to me that a book supposedly about giving truth about her life would contradict her own words.

Yes, the contradictions with direct comparisons were made by Wesley Kerr on GMB.

bluegreygreen · Yesterday 10:11

JustAnotherWhinger · Yesterday 10:08

One thing that is striking me about the book is that it seems to contradict the Andrew Morton book a few times.

We know that book was Diana’s own words so it seems very odd to me that a book supposedly about giving truth about her life would contradict her own words.

Yes, that's annoying, @JustAnotherWhinger.

He's telling his own story rather than clarifying Diana's.

bluegreygreen · Yesterday 10:13

Apparently another inaccuracy is that he says the Queen gave her speech after Diana's death from the balcony, but it was actually from an inside room.

Does he say this, @BasiliskStare or @JustAnotherWhinger?

If so, it really is becoming laughable.

MrsFinkelstein · Yesterday 10:21

VibrantpurpleA · Yesterday 08:01

Laughable that the Queen sought to instruct divorce after Diana’s behaviour, not Charles’ complete obvious longstanding affair with Camilla.

Or Diana's multiple affairs. Was the Met investigation into her making harassing phone calls to Oliver Hoare's wife before or after the divorce?

noonames · Yesterday 10:21

bluegreygreen · Yesterday 10:13

Apparently another inaccuracy is that he says the Queen gave her speech after Diana's death from the balcony, but it was actually from an inside room.

Does he say this, @BasiliskStare or @JustAnotherWhinger?

If so, it really is becoming laughable.

Definitely indoors, I have heard stories about filming this speech from the camera crew.

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 10:25

CS feels slighted rather a lot. Princess Anne is apparently short & unkind to a young CS. He’s 17 & asks how Zara’s christening went, she stops & gives him a withering look and says “how’s a christening supposed to go?”…

He also notes Prince Phillip being very short with the Queen & his stepbrother having the run of a suite, nicer rooms in the family home whilst he’s relegated to a bare, attic room. Sounds familiar?…Although being moved out of your room by Raine not very kind.

He talks about his & Diana’s Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria but seems to have rather a blind spot about how some of their more serious, unkind actions might be perceived by others (?)

quaintireneofrye · Yesterday 10:26

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 10:25

CS feels slighted rather a lot. Princess Anne is apparently short & unkind to a young CS. He’s 17 & asks how Zara’s christening went, she stops & gives him a withering look and says “how’s a christening supposed to go?”…

He also notes Prince Phillip being very short with the Queen & his stepbrother having the run of a suite, nicer rooms in the family home whilst he’s relegated to a bare, attic room. Sounds familiar?…Although being moved out of your room by Raine not very kind.

He talks about his & Diana’s Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria but seems to have rather a blind spot about how some of their more serious, unkind actions might be perceived by others (?)

Yes, it seems to be a one way street.

quaintireneofrye · Yesterday 10:27

noonames · Yesterday 10:21

Definitely indoors, I have heard stories about filming this speech from the camera crew.

Yes, I watched it live, it was definitely a drawing room, to camera, with a view of the crowds outside through the window.

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 10:31

quaintireneofrye · Yesterday 10:26

Yes, it seems to be a one way street.

When he admits to weaknesses or failings they’re comparatively minor…Leaving Dodi out of the Eulogy, etc.

He’s clearly very damaged. His previous book on early life far superior.

quaintireneofrye · Yesterday 10:32

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 10:31

When he admits to weaknesses or failings they’re comparatively minor…Leaving Dodi out of the Eulogy, etc.

He’s clearly very damaged. His previous book on early life far superior.

Yes, and damaging others won't help him to heal.

ShamedBySiri · Yesterday 10:33

CS feels slighted rather a lot. Princess Anne is apparently short & unkind to a young CS. He’s 17 & asks how Zara’s christening went, she stops & gives him a withering look and says “how’s a christening supposed to go?”…

TBF I would say this is typical Princess Anne comment because 1. she doesn't really do small talk and 2. She would have that sort of "job done, back to the horses" attitude to a christening. What's more unbelievable is that a 17 year old boy would think to ask about a christening! And that he would squirrel away that exchange to bring out years later as evidence of .... what exactly?
If true it speaks more of himself than of Anne.

quaintireneofrye · Yesterday 10:35

ShamedBySiri · Yesterday 10:33

CS feels slighted rather a lot. Princess Anne is apparently short & unkind to a young CS. He’s 17 & asks how Zara’s christening went, she stops & gives him a withering look and says “how’s a christening supposed to go?”…

TBF I would say this is typical Princess Anne comment because 1. she doesn't really do small talk and 2. She would have that sort of "job done, back to the horses" attitude to a christening. What's more unbelievable is that a 17 year old boy would think to ask about a christening! And that he would squirrel away that exchange to bring out years later as evidence of .... what exactly?
If true it speaks more of himself than of Anne.

Zara is 45. He's held on to that slight that long?
Yet his treatment of others doesn't matter?.

ShamedBySiri · Yesterday 10:40

Now on X I hear that Diana repeated anecdotes to CS (who is now repeating them for our delectation) regarding Prince Charles sticking out ears. Apparently the Queen was considering surgery to have them pinned back, and Phillip not only blocked this, but had surgery done on one of the corgi's ears as a reminder to the Queen.
Honestly this is so outrageous - there's no way this is believable. Imagine the Queen if anyone, including Phillip had done that. And what vet would do such a thing?? It's hard to know if Diana made up some of these anecdotes and CS tucked them in his back pocket to bring out another day or if he is just making up utter rot to fill the pages.

https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/2102283923606941764?s=20

GB News (@GBNEWS) on X

'This is something Diana allegedly told Earl Spencer... It's not his story to tell, some critics would say.' Royal Correspondent @CameronDLWalker reports on shocking allegations made about Prince Philip in Earl Spencer's new memoir about his sister Pr...

https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/2102283923606941764?s=20

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 10:47

ShamedBySiri · Yesterday 10:33

CS feels slighted rather a lot. Princess Anne is apparently short & unkind to a young CS. He’s 17 & asks how Zara’s christening went, she stops & gives him a withering look and says “how’s a christening supposed to go?”…

TBF I would say this is typical Princess Anne comment because 1. she doesn't really do small talk and 2. She would have that sort of "job done, back to the horses" attitude to a christening. What's more unbelievable is that a 17 year old boy would think to ask about a christening! And that he would squirrel away that exchange to bring out years later as evidence of .... what exactly?
If true it speaks more of himself than of Anne.

Absolutely. Although It has a ring of truth I think, there’s an earnestness, he’s 17 and struggling to think of something to say to her.

He notes his brother in law fares better with the Crown Princess of Japan, she’s very polite when they find common ground re: rice cultivation.

This comment very telling though. The room perhaps forget there are Spencers present:

”It was luck of the draw that night whether you were placed next to a royal who was happy to make you feel small or one who had the grace and manners to look for common ground, wherever it might be found?”

quaintireneofrye · Yesterday 10:50

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 10:47

Absolutely. Although It has a ring of truth I think, there’s an earnestness, he’s 17 and struggling to think of something to say to her.

He notes his brother in law fares better with the Crown Princess of Japan, she’s very polite when they find common ground re: rice cultivation.

This comment very telling though. The room perhaps forget there are Spencers present:

”It was luck of the draw that night whether you were placed next to a royal who was happy to make you feel small or one who had the grace and manners to look for common ground, wherever it might be found?”

If only Spencer had learned from that.

ShamedBySiri · Yesterday 10:53

I had no plans to either read or buy the book, but now I am tempted to buy a copy before they get pulped - but that would give penguin/CS some of my hard earned cash and I imagine there will be enough of these first editions out there that it won't have any particular future value above standard charity shop price.

I am also giving consideration to buying a copy and then returning it to the publishers and demanding a refund on the basis of inaccuracies. But I think the ratio of effort to satisfaction is probably low so I don't think I can be bothered. It would be funny if a lot of people did that though.

I recall listening to a mother and child on the radio 4 flagship consumer programme that used to be on around lunchtime back in the day, where the child had noticed a misprint in the latest Harry Potter book and was returning it with a complaint and demand for a refund. The mother sounded so proud of her precocious, priggish child. I just thought "You stupid woman, you are encouraging your child to be a thoroughly obnoxious lifelong complainer".
It irritated me so much, that's why I remember it. As children we weren't allowed to complain! I tried to install similar in my own children but unfortunately I married a complainer so I was destined to fail but hopefully have managed at least to temper complaints with a sense of proportion.

AI summary of what happened

AI Overview

The user is likely thinking of the highly publicized real-world event from October 2000, when a 9-year-old child named Laila Banjar from Somerset spotted a glaring editorial error in the first edition of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. 1]
The Misprint Details
The Error: On page 503 of the UK edition, the book mistakenly reads, “‘Dumbledore, come!’ said Crouch angrily.” 1]
The Problem: The character Barty Crouch Sr. had already gone missing much earlier in the plot (on page 485). The line was actually supposed to be spoken by the Minister for Magic, Cornelius Fudge. 1]
The Response: Laila’s mother emailed the publisher, Bloomsbury, who admitted the mistake and stated they were "very upset that this error went unnoticed until after printing". 1]

The Radio 4 Connection & Refund Demand
Following the discovery, the story was picked up across British national media, including newspapers and BBC Radio 4, where the logistical absurdity of the error—and whether such a mistake warranted a product refund or book recall—was discussed.
A spokesperson for Bloomsbury publicly responded to the wave of children writing in, noting that it would be "very unusual to withdraw books because of such a small error," especially given how many millions of copies had already been printed. Ironically, rather than making the books worthless, these uncorrected first editions with the "Crouch misprint" became highly sought-after collectors' items.

CNN.com - Books - Eagle-eyed child spots error in Harry Potter book - October 25, 2000

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HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 10:55

ShamedBySiri · Yesterday 10:40

Now on X I hear that Diana repeated anecdotes to CS (who is now repeating them for our delectation) regarding Prince Charles sticking out ears. Apparently the Queen was considering surgery to have them pinned back, and Phillip not only blocked this, but had surgery done on one of the corgi's ears as a reminder to the Queen.
Honestly this is so outrageous - there's no way this is believable. Imagine the Queen if anyone, including Phillip had done that. And what vet would do such a thing?? It's hard to know if Diana made up some of these anecdotes and CS tucked them in his back pocket to bring out another day or if he is just making up utter rot to fill the pages.

https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/2102283923606941764?s=20

He does say he “has no idea if these disturbing tales are true”. The dog feels a bit of a reach but I feel I’ve heard KC say the same somewhere?

There’s also another anecdote about a small act of rebellion/attempt to stand up to his father from KC. He wears a sports jacket when something more formal the ‘rule’ & Phillip roars with mocking laughter and shows Charles up. It sounds very plausible.

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 11:02

There seem to be many similarities with Harry as I read on, the entitlement & arrogance they seem so blind about at times. Such small slights remembered. The History masters at Eton both seem to have coincidentally exasperated by both.

quaintireneofrye · Yesterday 11:03

HolidayHideaway · Yesterday 10:55

He does say he “has no idea if these disturbing tales are true”. The dog feels a bit of a reach but I feel I’ve heard KC say the same somewhere?

There’s also another anecdote about a small act of rebellion/attempt to stand up to his father from KC. He wears a sports jacket when something more formal the ‘rule’ & Phillip roars with mocking laughter and shows Charles up. It sounds very plausible.

Edited

"sounds plausible" does a lot of heavy lifting.
It's a load of gossip and we don't know what's true.

JustAnotherWhinger · Yesterday 11:04

The ear pinning story is one for me that cements that this is not a book about Diana at all.

Its actually his book about his experiences around the royals, but you can’t say that and pretend it’s about historical accuracy or correcting untruths. It revenge against people you feel don’t give you the respect you deserve.

The only link to Diana in that story is “Diana believed it to be true” so if Diana believed that the traffic lights on Kensington high street were out of sync would that have been included?

It was put in as a story to mock with no real reasoning or placement in terms of what he has advertised the book as.