Does Carole Middleton in some way out rank Camilla as the grandma of the future king ?

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Seeing them together today ,it stuck me Camilla is not blood related to the royals and now carols blood flows through our future kings veins ? Obviously Camilla is queen and currently technically outranks her but does she in some way out rank her ??

Think of the public reaction if William were to give titles to his parents-in-law - it's never going to happen. Even if they were put forward independently for the Honours List (if one of them achieved something notable,) I think they would be wary of handing out an honour within the family.

As it stands, I am not aware the Middleton parents have done anything sufficiently notable to be granted an honour (not a criticism, nor have the majority of people) and William certainly is not going to create Michael Middleton as a random hereditary Baronet or whatever because it would annoy everyone.

Agreed. Monarchs handing out titles to their in laws has never been popular - Edward IV did it for the Woodvilles and Henry VIII for the Boleyns, and it went down like a lead balloon with the public even then. The idea of William giving titles to the Middletons reminds me of that.

There's no chance he'll give them a title!

In terms of the monarchy then no. Camilla will always outrank Carole. But, it is an interesting view point and one I’d not considered. Carole is a blood relative of the future King, Camilla is not. Personally, I think they’ll adhere to tradition and it won’t matter. Is it the first time this has happened?

Why do we still tie ourselves in knots over stuff like this when having an elected Head of State would solve such riddles at a stroke?

FWIW I think W while being hell bent on becoming king will also be our last making questions of Granny precedence redundant.

People confidently proclaimed, for some time, that QEII was definitely going to be the last monarch. Charles wasn't up to it and would crash and burn in a fortnight.
Funny that.

C might have been not up to it (and so it transpires) but he was always up for it.

I don’t think it’s happened before as kings usually didn’t live long enough to see their grandchildren being born, the RF didn’t usually marry ‘commoners’ and not many cases of kings marrying at Charles’s age(or even living to his age) after having children with their first wife.

I suppose a similar example (but not quite the same) would be when Henry viii died, his son Edward became king but his stepmother the dowager Queen Catherine Parr was the highest ranking woman in England and obviously outranked his maternal grandmother on the Seymour side. She outranked the king’s uncles too, so it caused quite a scandal when she married one of them in secret without the king’s permission.

🤣🤣 of course he was! He was the heir to the throne for 70 years! 🤣🤣🤣
My point is - people said that QEII would be the last monarch. It was confidently asserted.
They were wrong.

No. She is the mother of the wife (a commoner)of the future King. That's it. No more in the hierarchy than the a groom in the Royal Stables

Wasn’t Camilla also a “commoner”? Before her elevation by marriage? Same as Kate?

Yes but she married the king. Kate has married the prince of Wales. You’re either born into the RF or you marry into it, That’s how it works, and Carole has done neither of those things.

Camilla was a commoner. As was Diana Spencer and Elizabeth Bowes Lyon. Commoner means not royal or not a peer.

While I think (and have been proved resoundingly right) the royals would have been wise to call it a day when she went I really can't recall such claims being made during her lifetime.

Can you provide links?

No. I didn't make a note of them, nor keep a spreadsheet. There were quite a lot of threads on here about it. The late Queen was definitely going to be the last monarch.
Quite interesting discussions, though proved wrong.

I remember discussions from people who were hoping the late Queen would be the last monarch, but I don't remember anyone saying that it was a certainty. How did they suppose this was going to happen? Charles became king at the exact moment the late Queen last drew breath. No time for an intervening act of Parliament.

Slightly different as not her step-child, but Queen Adelaide wasn’t blood related to Queen Victoria (her husbands niece) when she became Dowager Queen and Victoria became Queen.

There were quite a lot of threads on here about it. The late Queen was definitely going to be the last monarch.

Maybe you can link them?

No, I can't be bothered.
You can look for them.

Good point - that's the only one I can think of, too.

You said it.

Links or it didn't happen 😎

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3979709-To-think-the-monarchy-will-end-with-the-death-of-Queen-Elizabeth-2

Oh dear...look upthread.
😂😂😂

Thanks, June! I just couldn't be arsed.
I remember there was one from an American as well.

Exactly! But at that point, “The Queen” will refer to Catherine, whereas Queen Camilla will always be officially HM Queen Camilla/. Look at HM Queen Mary and HM Queen Alexandra. The Queen Mother title was (as pp have said) to avoid the confusion over two Elizabeths.