Does Carole Middleton in some way out rank Camilla as the grandma of the future king ?

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Seeing them together today ,it stuck me Camilla is not blood related to the royals and now carols blood flows through our future kings veins ? Obviously Camilla is queen and currently technically outranks her but does she in some way out rank her ??

With Camilla being Queen consort rather than another title, whereas QE2 had Prince Phillip DoE

This thread is hilarious. Camilla outranking Carole clearly pushes every ‘I hate my MIL’, ‘I hate my father’s wife, who used to be his mistress’, and ‘Once a shagger, always a shagger’ buttons. Anyone would think Camilla used a coat of arms that depicted her stomping on Carole’s head while giving the middle finger to the ghost of Diana.

Charles hasn’t set that precedent! It’s been that way for literally centuries.

And no, Carole won’t be the Queen Mother. The title Queen Mother doesn’t mean “mother of the queen” it means “queen who is mother of the monarch”

I realise I may have riled people asking about the queen mother! Not intended I'm just really not au fait with how these things are decided

I understand what you mean OP, Carole is a "full" Grandma, Camilia is not.

The wife of the King has always been Queen - QEQM, Queen Mary, Queen Alexandra - the husbands of QEII and Queen Victoria were princes because Kings outrank queens.

Charles hasn’t set any kind of precedent whatsoever

Wives of the king are always queen consort.

Husbands of the queen regnant are never king.

Neither Charles nor Elizabeth set any kind of precedent or made any kind of decision about their spouse being/not being queen/king. They both followed the standard.

Depends if we think commoner = not royal, in which case it’s happened loads of times including Elizabeth II, or if we think commoner = non-aristocrat with no title at all, in which case yes this is the first time.

Before she married into the royal family, the Queen Mother was a daughter of a Scottish earl so definitely an aristo but nowhere near royal. See also Edward V, Edward VI, Elizabeth I…

There’s no real decision making when it comes to titles, generally It’s all been done the same way for many years

The wife of the King is always the Queen consort, known as HM The Queen.
The husband of a reigning Queen won’t be King because then he’d outrank her.

Queen mother is the mother of the current monarch who was previously Queen consort.

Some claimed this about Anne Boleyn..

William will be King before George,therefore,I doubt very much Camilla or Carole would still be around.

King outranks Queen which is why Prince Philip remained only a Prince/Duke. This is one of the reasons Queen Elizabeth 1st never married.
Queen doesn't outrank King, so the wife of the King is titled Queen. See: every wife of all kings since time immemorial.
How do people not know this stuff? It's basic general knowledge.

Henry VIII's wives are only really well known because there were so many of them. If he had just had Anne B as his only wife she would barely be remembered. She was from minor nobility.

Well that’s not true. Even if he’d stopped at 2 wives, Anne Boleyn is hugely important to history.

I’m not sure she’s the best comparison with Camilla though, who is hardly going to spark major religious reform and give birth to a really famous queen.

I agree. From everything we've seen of Camilla, I think the last thing she'd be interested in doing is pulling rank on Carole Middleton.

Look at how she avoided using the style 'Princess of Wales' so that she didn't step on the late Diana's toes, or invite even more of the unfavourable comparisons she'd been subject to ever since Charles's preference for her became known.

Camilla famously keeps her head down, her work as a Royal seems to be deliberately targeted to lower-key, not particularly camera-friendly charities.

If she outlives Charles, I think she'll retreat quite gladly to a background role, continuing a few low key patronages that are important to her but staying well out of the limelight.

I think that if Diana had not died when she did,William would not have met Kate and Diana would have had a big influence in his choice of bride.

By commoner I meant not even from a noble, land-owning family. Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon would certainly not rank as a commoner! Maybe that's the wrong term... Maybe "from the nobility" is better. It's just "noble" can be so misleading, can't it? Like when politicians address each other as "my right honorable..." when they are so often anything but....

that will be what, 30 , 40 years at most? The monarch wont exit then

This is a good comparison. Even when Charles was first in line to the throne and married to Diana, Diana's parents felt completely irrelevant to the royal family, regardless of DNA links.

I agree its not a great comparison however Camilla is the queen and was crowned as such. Claiming she is somehow an irrelevant Mistress does take us back to those who claimed Anne was merely the concubine..

Camilla will go down in history books as Queen. Carole will not be mentioned in the same way

The wife of a king being called queen is how it’s been done for hundreds of years, nothing to do with Charles.

I don't fully agree with this. Diana was aware her sons were a part of the Royal fanily and due to this she would have agreed with educational needs for the boys. Its worth noting Charles was very involved in chosing schools as he had such an appaling experience himself and didnt want that for his sons. We cant know Diana would have been against the choices made or Catherine as a person.

I dont think we can fully state William wouldnt have met and fallen in love with Catherine. (Or Harry for Meghan) if Diana was still around. I do think Diana would have been firmly for the longer slower introduction they gave Catherine to royal life. Diana expressed later on how unprepared she had felt.

In Royal terms no but in family terms possibly. She’s George’s only living grandmother as Camilla is a step grandmother to him. I guess it depends how important this is for his parents (like in any family).

Do you think when William becomes king he will give Carole and Michael a title?

Im trying to think through royal history would the last one have been Jane Seymour?

(Gawd I love Royal history 😀)