Does Carole Middleton in some way out rank Camilla as the grandma of the future king ?

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Seeing them together today ,it stuck me Camilla is not blood related to the royals and now carols blood flows through our future kings veins ? Obviously Camilla is queen and currently technically outranks her but does she in some way out rank her ??

If it was Robert Smith from The Cure that would be AMAZING! I’d love that.

It’s an interesting point, OP, I don’t know much about the monarchy but George is a quarter Carole genetically so in that sense she is much, much more important to succession than Camilla.

I would guess that in terms of personal relationships, which is all that really matters, Carole Middleton will definitely outrank Camilla.

This! As with royal courts from inception to now - rank is important up to the point that influence takes over.

At this point Camilla is Queen and Charles is still alive so she has both rank and influence.

When William is King - Camilla will still have a higher rank than Carol. But at that point Carol will potentially have a considerable amount of influence.

It’s fascinating that historically it was the men in royal adjacent families who were thought to be wielding power through their connections.

I think you are confusing family relationships with the hierachy of monarchy. Carole has no position when it comes to the monarchy because she isn't a member of the royal family.

On Mumsnet she would. Father’s mother-and even more step mother-is WAY down the pecking order!

Not really. If her DD wasn't married to a Royal her grandson wouldn't be King so she has no role in the succession at all. The succession is all about the RF. Personally yes she will be more important because Camilla is not Williams mother but in Royal terms Camilla is the Queen and that's that.

Yes this.

Queen Camila 🙄

Camilla is the Queen. The Queen of England, so no.

Camilla will always be an irrelevant royal mistress who was elevated above her station by a weak king to many.
Carole seems to have provided a loving stable family not just to Kate but also to William.

She is not ‘The Queen of England’

Totally. In fact Camilla has to curtsy to Carol if Charles isn’t there 😁🤔🤣

In the specific situation where Camilla (78) and Carole (71) are still alive when George becomes King, then the biggest influence on George would be whatever had happened to his father as for that to happen William would have to have died young.

On a official level yes ,I'd say Carole Middleton has definitely got more of a moral and family influence over the Wales children ,it would of been interesting to see how dynamics would of been had Diana not tragically passed away .I think things would of been very different for everyone. Butterfly effect

No, sorry that was a Blackadder thing. I didn’t mean to miss anyone out.

Queen Camilla is the queen of United Kingdom

and

Isle of Man
Antigua and Barbuda
Australia
The Bahamas
Belize
Canada
Grenada
Jamaica
New Zealand
Papua New Guinea
St Kitts and Nevis
St Lucia
St Vincent & the Grenadines
Solomon Islands
and
Tuvalu

So no.

Don’t be silly. Even if you don’t like her, she’ll always be queen. Just like every other wife of a king. She’s a bit less relevant to history than some of the others, because she is not also the mother of a future monarch.

Lol, no. Camilla is the queen

So if William and Kate become King and Queen as Charles seems to have laid the precedent for, will Carole be the new queen mum?

Elizabeth the Queen Mother was the widowed mother of the Queen.
Eventually Camilla might become the stepmother of the King. Would the Dowager Queen still be called Queen Mother?

What do you mean, as Charles seems to have laid the precedent for?

The Queen Mother is the mother of the current monarch who is a dowager Queen so Catherine could be QM, if she was Queen before George became King. Camilla never could as she’s not William’s mother.

It’s unlikely the QM title would be used anyways. Queen Mary didn’t use it and nor did Queen Alexandra. It was just a very simple way to distinguish (mostly in the written press and the public) between the two Queen Elizabeth’s. In royal correspondence it wasn’t really used as they used HM Queen Elizabeth and HM The Queen.

No, she would still be Queen Camilla. QEQM was called that because she had the same name as her daughter and there was a need to distinguish between the two Queen Elizabeths.

No. You cannot be Queen Mother without having been Queen yourself.

Charles hasn’t remotely laid precedent for King and Queen. That is how it has always been done. The wife of the King is the Queen.

She does outrank in the family sense. But in the business of being a royal, Carol is insignificant and Camilla is queen. So depends what you mean.

You can only be 'Queen Mother' if you've previously been a Queen, so Carole won't have this title.

As pp said, it was used for Elizabeth nee Bowes-Lyon because they didn't want two Queen Elizabeths. At the start of Elizabeth II's reign, her grandmother was still alive (the wife of George V), and she was always just known as Queen Mary - so you had Queen Mary, Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother, and Queen Elizabeth II.

It's likely Camilla will simply be known as 'Queen Camilla' if she outlives Charles, unless William divorces Kate and marries someone else called Camilla. If that happened, she could be known as 'The Dowager Queen Camilla'.

Relatives, even close relatives, of people who marry into the Royal Family don't become royal or eligible for royal titles. To 'be royal' you either have to be born royal - the child of someone who was also the child of someone royal, or to be (or have been) legally married to someone who was born royal.

I believe we are in a unique situation in history where the mother of the future king was a commoner at birth. It would only matter to the worst of snobs (who have no other achievements to boast about), but Camilla was from the nobility, if not an aristocrat, so would "outrank" Carole in that respect.
They will both be footnotes in history at most. Famous matriarchs are only relevant to absolute monarchies.