Does Carole Middleton in some way out rank Camilla as the grandma of the future king ?

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Seeing them together today ,it stuck me Camilla is not blood related to the royals and now carols blood flows through our future kings veins ? Obviously Camilla is queen and currently technically outranks her but does she in some way out rank her ??

Last Queen of England and the first Queen of Great Britain.

She was Queen when The act of union 1707 combined kingdoms of England and Scotland into unified Kingdom of Great Britain, replacing the English and Scottish parliaments with a single Parliament of Great Britain.

I think sometimes people only take into account things that happened during their own lifetime - there have been posters here who thought Diana was the only ever Princess of Wales - and hence don't understand how things from the past shape things now.
Where were the other "Queen Mothers" in history if the mother of every Queen (Consort or Regnant) had that title?
Presumably, the Queen Mother's mother would have had that title too if that were the case.
(I watch a few quiz shows and the phrase "before my time" crops up a lot, as though history waited until their birth to start happening.)

No, it’s not the title given to every mother of any queen.

It’s the title given to a queen, who is the mother of the reigning monarch, whether that monarch is a king or a queen. Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother’s mother was not a queen. And therefore not a Queen Mother. If Diana had stayed married to Charles, become Queen, and then outlived Charles, she would have become a Queen Mother when William was king.

It’s a title that is rarely used, even by women it applied to. And it was only used for QEtQM because she was Queen Elizabeth, and so was her daughter. And her mother in law was already being called the dowager queen. So they needed a way to distinguish, but they didn’t make up a new phrase.

Where were the other "Queen Mothers" in history if the mother of every Queen (Consort or Regnant) had that title?

Queen Mother" has been formally used by two primary figures in British royal history: Queen Henrietta Maria and Queen Elizabeth The Queen

Queen Henrietta Maria (1609–1669): The French princess married to King Charles I. She officially adopted the French style La Reine Mère (Queen Mother) when her son Charles II took the throne in 1649, remaining a Queen Mother for 20 years.
Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother (1900–2002): The widow of King George VI and mother of Queen Elizabeth II. When Elizabeth II took the throne in 1952, her mother adopted the title to avoid confusion and because she disliked being called a "Dowager Queen"

Additionally, two other 20th-century queens were informally recognized by the Church of England and in public spheres as "Queen Mother" during their widows:
Queen Alexandra (1844–1925): Widow of King Edward VII and mother of King George V.
Queen Mary (1867–1953): Widow of King George V, and mother to both King Edward VIII and King George VI.

I know!!
That's exactly what I was saying but in a jokey way!

@AprilMizzel
Where were the other "Queen Mothers" in history if the mother of every Queen (Consort or Regnant) had that title?

It wasn't a serious question.

I'm sorry, but this question makes absolutely zero sense. Carole Middleton is a commoner and will always be, who happens to be the mother of Catherine Middleton who married into the royal family.

Carole isn't a princess by blood and didn't marry into the family. Sure she probably is important emotionally to her grandchildren. But that's their private life. Carole is a commoner, a private citizen like Doria or Sarah Barrantes. Did you ask if Diana's father outranked Philip? No? So use your brains a bit.

Of course not! Camilla is the queen.

I'm sorry that just wasn't clear to me at all.

Still find it interesting that is something that just come about more in twenty century and pretty much was made formal for just Queen Mother.

@AprilMizzel Maud was robbed. She should have been Queen.

I always wonder had Lady Jane Grey, been Lord John Grey, whether Mary I would still have been successful in gaining the throne.

I’ve already said that was a quote and that I didn’t mean to leave any country out.

Queen Camilla is the queen of United Kingdom, Isle of Man, Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, The Bahamas, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, St Kitts and Nevis, St Lucia, St Vincent, The Grenadines, Solomon Islands and Tuvalu.

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From everything we've seen I'd say you're right

The official position is clear, but from a family relationships POV I'd be very surprised if William has much to do with Camilla if she outlives his father - and that's if she's even around rather than back at Raymill with the Bensons

I know, I know.

Don’t be daft. The clue is in the Queen Camilla.
She’s top girl.

The QEQM’s mother wasn’t a Queen, hence not being QM.

The title is basically HM (Dowager) Queen Elizabeth, Queen Mother (of the current monarch).

It’s just a title that wasn’t ever needed to be used because other Queens didn’t have the same name as their child who was now Queen.

Queen Mary wasn’t going to be confused with King Edward VIII or King George VI so she could just be Queen Mary. Same with Queen Alexandra.

Whilst QEQM and QEII didn’t actually have the same title - QEQM was HM Queen Elizabeth and QEII was HM The Queen, QEII was often written in the press as Queen Elizabeth as well so the QEQM title was adopted. Dowager Queen didn’t really work given there was also already Queen Mary, it’s also not the nicest phrase, especially as QEQM was widowed relatively young.

@Puzzledandpissedoff 😂😂"and that's if she's even around rather than back at Raymill with the Bensons"

And probably very happy to be so. I suspect she'll keep up with some of charities , eg osteoporosis , DV , literacy . Although I think she's making a very good job of being Queen , I don't get the impression it's her G&T.

ignore my last post - it was showing nothing posted for ages when I replied. Several more posts just appeared 🤦🏻‍♀️

Good point - perhaps not!

An interesting point about QEQM was that there was a slight delay in the official recognition of QEII as monarch because - although somewhat unlikely - it was possible that QEQM was pregnant. That had to be excluded. Had she been, and a male child had been born, it would have had precedence over Elizabeth II.

I'm going to have to start putting "Ha ha! Lol! 🤣🤣🤣🤣" every time I write something not entirely serious, it seems.

I don’t think that’s true. Do you have a source?

Wasn't she 51?!

Rank or who is going to get the most heartfelt hand made card?

Yes indeed. It was an official provision, I read. It is extraordinary, but they did need to have it officially confirmed that she was not with (potential) heir.

That is interesting! How old was QETQM when QE2 ascended the throne?

ETA ah, someone has said, 51, so unlikely but not impossible