Does Carole Middleton in some way out rank Camilla as the grandma of the future king ?

[Inthesummertimewhen]

Seeing them together today ,it stuck me Camilla is not blood related to the royals and now carols blood flows through our future kings veins ? Obviously Camilla is queen and currently technically outranks her but does she in some way out rank her ??

Yes, 51. As I said - and they probably realised - somewhat unlikely but I think an interesting footnote in history.
Not necessary now of course with females no longer below males in the LoS.

I suppose it could still happen in future though if the Queen hadn't yet had children (but was potentially pregnant) when the King died?

Good point! Yes, I hadn't thought of that. They'd have to hold fire to await news.

Not really a related point but I do sometimes think it's funny when Tom Parker Bowles pops up on Saturday Kitchen Live or whatever, and you remember that he's the Queen's son! It must have been odd for her kids to sort of 'lose her' to the royal family although I'm sure in reality they're still a close family.

It needs to be spelled out, I think. Next Royal Ascot Camilla, Carole and Princess Anne need to line up as a threesome and do a version of the Class System - I know my place - skit. (Two Ronnies plus John Cleese.) The bowing and curtsying gets confusing and we should be informed who to look up to most.

I'm pretty sure that Camilla would still outrank Carole Middleton.

I knew him slightly at university. Now-DH brought him home once or twice. He seemed ordinary enough, your standard Old Etonian, and not particularly food-minded. Those guys all seemed to have had their palates surgically removed by boarding school stodge.

That doesn't mean anything in terms of Royal Ranking. You don't become a royal because your child marries a member of the Royal family.
Camilla is married to the King and if he dies before her she will become the Dowager Queen. Carole Middleton will still be Carole Middleton.

How could she? Camilla is married to the King and is Queen consort.

Interesting! I did wonder how and when he earned his 'foodie' credentials...

A Queen Mother is a title held by a Queen Dowager (the widow of a previous king) who is also the mother of the reigning monarch.

So it isn’t a title for simply the mother of a queen (Carole Middleton will not be Queen Morher when/if Kate becomes Queen). They only get that title if they were also Queen themselves.

It was first used for Queen Elizabeth’s mother to avoid confusion (as they both had the same Christian name).

If you read what I wrote, I wasn't asking for clarification of what the title "Queen Mother" is.
I said:
Where were the other "Queen Mothers" in history if the mother of every Queen (Consort or Regnant) had that title?
Presumably, the Queen Mother's mother would have had that title too if that were the case.

I've underlined the "if" that gives that sentence its meaning.
I know how the title was used.
I know it isn't the title for any mother of a queen.
I'm getting fed up of explaining that this was a mildly sarcastic comment.

If Charles dies neither Camilla nor Carole will be Queen Mother as neither is mother of the monarch. Camilla would be Queen Dowager as widow of King. I can imagine William might well give a title the Middletons but it’s not a certainty.

Why would the Middletons get a title? They aren’t just handed to whoever the monarch wishes to they are only reserved for the royal blood line. If that wasn’t the case then any old Joe bloggs would be given a title.

Really? How about Sir David Beckham? Lord Archer? They're not royal.

They are not royal titles they fall under the British honours system for outstanding contributions to society. What have the Middletons contributed? Providing William with a wife.

Lots of non-royal people get titles - baron this and that.

Do they? They could be knighted- but what for-services to producing Royal wives?

They won't get titles.

The king can give anyone they want a title. It's just in recent times a dukedom has been reserved for royal lines. I don't think they would need to give a reason other than services to the royal family if he chose to give them something. Not sure he would though, unless it is something important to them.

The Boleyns and the Seymours, if I remember correctly, received titles.

Carol will have more influence with both William and George because of their relationship. She doesn't need a title. She has soft power.

Yes, that was when monarchs could reward loyalty and get rid of folks who were pesky irritants! 😉

😂😂😂

That was 500 years ago.