BROADCHURCH mon 9pm itv thread 2

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Is it ok for me to start a new thread.

Can anyone tell me why Ellie says about Will Mellor's character:

"if you go into the bookshop in town all his books are in there"?
he is KNOWN to the police for this, plus the petty convictions, vehicle theft and conspiracy to defraud, they say in EP 4. So why is he allowed to write and sell these books?

Wow - I was so far behind on this thread!

OK - I can see this playing out in one of two ways. The first - and most obvious - is Jude the Obscure. The clues have been there all the way through. Nige is, in effect, Little Father Time - the bad blood baby, who was always going to turn out this way - all grown up. He has Danny - a child - helping him undertake criminal activity. Not just poaching but stealing diesel too. Danny gets money from his poaching with Nige as well as his paper round and maybe brags about it in front of Tom at the paintballing party? Tom is jealous of Danny's money and nice things (he LOVED that skateboard, it was obvious) because he comes from a family where only one parent is working, albeit in a good job. In addition, they are subsidising Auntie Catastrophe, so there isn't much spare cash (although enough for a three week holiday - mmm - maybe need to rethink that bit!)

Maybe Danny teases Tom for being too much of a goodie-two-shoes, with a copper for a mum? While Danny's life influences are "real men" like his dad and Nige the plumber/poacher, Tom's dad is a man in a traditionally woman's role. I can almost hear that immature argument between the two of them going back and forth. So that is the source of the discord between the boys. Joe is trying to keep it from Ellie as he doesn't want Danny or Nige to get into trouble.

But ultimately it's all down to Nige in terms of the murder. He has no compunction about killing living animals in cold blood and fits in terms of the footprints at the crime scene. Something went wrong that night and the rest is merely a red herring. So that's theory one, which makes the most sense to me, based upon what we have seen so far.

Damn you're good, teej. I find that a compelling reconstruction of the relationship between the two boys.

I disagree about Nige though. He poaches, but in the context of where they live I think that's dodgy and illegal rather than psychotic. And he didn't kill the dog.

Theory two - the Agatha Christie approach. There will be a new piece of information in the last ep which will point to the real murderer.

This could be Joe. He could be revealed to be the child rapist/murderer from Whitby. Danny may have pieced together some clues found from information online and confronted Tom with it at the paintball - hence their fallout. But that would be a bit lazy in terms of plot. Surely Ellie would have twigged at some point before now - "actually my luvverly you weren't in bed then, where were you when Danny went missing?"

It could be Psychic Steve. Agree with whoever said he's been tapping phone lines and cold reading people to get what he has so far. But another of his little weaknesses was vehicle theft. If it was taking from a vehicle, could we be talking about Steve as the person who broke into DT's wife's car and stole the evidence from Sandbrook? As some of you have said, is it possible he himself is the Sandbrook killer and they had the wrong guy all along? Is it possible he was the Whitby rapist/murderer and DT recognises him as someone who was investigated at the time? Or could it be as simple as Danny found him trying to break into a car during his paper round one day and perhaps Danny was trying to blackmail him?

I am so looking forward to Olivia Coleman's acting next week.

I am now wondering if they will send Alec in for the surgery that he said he may not survive, at the end (it may become the only option) and thus hedge their bets about Broadchurch Series 2 - bigger boats, higher cliffs, more murder.

But MadBusLady was he keeping the dog as leverage? Not much use to him dead if he thought mummy dearest wouldn't grass if he had the dog

Oh - whatever the denouement is, I think there will be some clues in the pictures Ollie took at the party back in March.

Also, Joe or Tom NOT being involved in the murder does not preclude Ellie from realising there is a lot she didn't know about her own family, as well as her own community. And she will find that tough.

Or maybe Tom is the baddun, against type. The police woman's son with a devoted stay-at-home parent who has sacrificed his career to care for the children. So Tom has so much more to throw away. Danny is pissed off with him because he knows Tom is doing so much wrong and tries to intervene which is when they fall out?

could work both ways really?

but but but what about the sister's boyfriend?

It's the clocks that are bothering me.

Didn't they stop at 3.50? And weren't the texts that Tom deleted at 3.49?

I think Dean's a drug dealer.

Teej I thought that about Steve but can't remember what thread I posted it on! About nicking cars etc. and maybe having been the person who stole the evidence.

Great posts

Won't be the boyfriend; they're simply not going to have the culprit as stereotypical young black boy.

Deffo agree re surgery.

Disclaimer: I am really not very good at this stuff. Am glued, but usually v confused

Whattodo is it possible Danny stopped the clocks so his dad would wake up late and be late to meet Nige, who would be running late due to being out poaching half the night? Ie it was arranged and Danny actually did it? And maybe the texts from March were Danny texting Tom during a poaching session that night, saying what he was up to?

Great minds, Mandragora! I did a post a while back listing everyone's secrets and as soon as DT said about the evidence being removed from a car I thought, "Steve!"

Oh - and also agree about the surgery. Not sure at the minute whether DT has told all to the local rag because he assumes he's going to drop dead or not survive the surgery so he has nothing to lose by putting the record straight or whether it is a last roll of the dice to get the perp to show himself.

Becca says Chloe got the drugs from a male friend, and Dean and Chloe are clearly very close. Wikipedia says Dean has dangerous connections, including some of the most respected people in the town.

teej and Mandragora- I think you're right! Steve must have robbed the car that had the pendant in and that's why he was able to say "she forgives you about the pendant" to DT. He is therefore evil as he is happy for a murderer to walk free rather than hand in evidence and say he robbed a car.

OR he is the Sandbrook murderer and robbed the car to get himself off the charge

When you look at the cast list Danny isn't in it? So if there's a reconstruction he shouldn't be in it?

I think deep down Alec wants his daughter to know it wasn't him who messed up the case. He still doesn't want her to think badly of her mother so he told them to keep her name out of it.

I'll be a bit relieved if there isn't a reconstruction. There was one in The Killing and it was REALLY affecting, we were both a bit shaky afterwards despite having spent whole series enjoying it as a sleuthing exercise. Don't think ITV will want to frighten the MNers horses like that.

I am interested in how the newspaper woman (The older one) is mad keen on having a good story. rather a change from when she didn't want to give the younger journalist a story.

Also agree - that DT is playing games with the 'psychic' and leading him on in some way.

I don't think I can wait until Monday!
So many theories. I reckon we'll have another full thread by then.

I'm still on the Joe / Vicar love affair.
I think Steve is the Sandybrook killer & Hardy suspects it.

I agree OC has been magnificent.

Am starting to agree it's Steve thought I really wished it Mark.

I think Steve is telling them all 'it's someone he knew' to try to throw them off the scent and that he only got lucky with the 'you've been here before' comment with DT.

I just found the other thread (Chat one) and read it in one go Some really great stuff on there

montage yes another good reason for DT to provide the story, as his daughter is not answering his calls...

Are Nige and Ollie about the same age do you think?