BROADCHURCH mon 9pm itv thread 2

[DuelingFanjo]

Is it ok for me to start a new thread.

Can anyone tell me why Ellie says about Will Mellor's character:

"if you go into the bookshop in town all his books are in there"?
he is KNOWN to the police for this, plus the petty convictions, vehicle theft and conspiracy to defraud, they say in EP 4. So why is he allowed to write and sell these books?

[montage]

A reconstruction or even extended flasback where you watch it unfold would be ace though

[BOF]

Is it going to be a longer episode than usual?

[Juniperdewdropofbrandy]

Oh wow 5 extra minutes

[mazylou]

I so wish they'd done the last two episodes as a two hour, but hey, can't have it all. I have been completely into the Jude the Obscure theory as Hardy was a big exponent of the "Broad Church" movement of Anglican evangelism. This is remembered from doing English 30 years ago, so it could be a complete load of balls.

[SomewhereInTheMiddle]

I think that Will Mellor was always meant to look dodgy as he was clearly cold reading Beth when he went to her house early on. He was fishing and she she didn't take the bait of whatever 'do you know a Bert, or someone beginning with B' sort of thing. I think he's something to do with Sandbrook too.

A big reveal is going to come from the sister Lucy, so my money's still on it being Joe.

[blindworm]

I definitely agree that Steve was cold reading Beth, and probably Alec too. 'She forgives you about the pendant' is such a broad statement. It was reported in the Herald that Alec lost the pendant, and it belonged to a girl. Steve may even have meant that the victim forgave Alec, and just got lucky that it meant more to Alec.

[jodee]

I was out last night so have only just watched the latest episode, I have read through all the threads but can't see anything about who was following Nige in the car and chasing him down the alley???? Then he just turns up in PQs caravan? Did I miss something?

[DuelingFanjo]

It was a policeman. When they released nige and PQ Neil tennant's character said they would both be closely watched so nige knew he was being followed and did a runner. No idea why whoever was watching PQ didn't see him arrive at her caravan or stop her and her dog from walking off into the night!

[MrsSalvoMontalbano]

enjoying this thread almost as much as the prog - very impressed with the dedication people are applying to this!
Do not have any sleuthing ability, but reckon that Danny's death must have been an accident that was covered up, rather than deliberate murder or paedo related. In each case where someone has looked sinsiter/evil, the writers seem to have contrived a back-story to make us sympathise with that person - eg Jack, paedo, but the actually almost legal, real love story etc, PQ unwitting collaterel victim etc. Also there are two many paedo back stories , surely the murder cannot be that - the plottign has been far to good for lazy denouement.

[Juniperdewdropofbrandy]

But he was strangled how can that be an accident?

[MadBusLady]

I agree a bit with MrsSalvo. Yes, the actual murder itself was deliberate, but it feels like it's going to be similar to The Killing, where a whole different bunch of totally unrelated and accidental circumstances combined to lead to Rosie's death, and the person who was immediately responsible for killing her didn't even know who she was.

[LadyClariceCannockMonty]

'Psychic isn't the Sandbrook killer, they KNOW who the Sandbrook killer is, but the person got off due to evidence being compromising by DT's ex-wife.'

Ah, I'd missed that.

At the moment I'm thinking it was Joe; he seems to have been deliberately kept in the background so far (so viewers are surprised when he's revealed?) and clearly his and Ellie's marriage isn't the bed of roses we were invited to believe early on. I like the theory that he stopped Tom talking to the vicar in case Tom blurted something out.

But I agree with MrsSalvo and MadBusLady that it will not be a simple case of one person doing it in isolation, rather a complicated set of events that together led to Danny's death. One of the ideas behind the whole show is clearly that of all communities being interdepenent; everyone in them is somehow connected and behind the harmonious exterior is a web of people keeping secrets and perpetrating corruption/lies/crimes of varying kinds.

[MandragoraWurzelstock]

Unlessthey were wrong and the person they thought did it in sandbrook wasn't actually guilty.

I think stevie boy bears the hallmarks of a delusional serial killer playing games with them.

[DuelingFanjo]

I agree it wasn't a planned murder. Surely must be something to do with the diesel if the red stuff dripping off the Danny's hands was diesel not blood? Otherwise why put it in? and we know he was strangled not stabbed or any other thing that would have produced blood, that someone tried to clean off evidence with household products that presumably would lead back to them? So who would have been with him stealing diesel? Nige?

When PQ's character said she knew it was Nige (to Nige) I really believed her but I am not sure I like the idea that she has that the evil of the father is going to be in him, yet they have painted him as a wholly unsympathetic character. I think out of all the characters he and Danny's dad have very few redeeming qualities so I kind of hope it is one of them. The vicar is too much of a sympathetic character.

i still hope it's Danny's dad though - that would make more sense to me.

[blindworm]

In the scene where Jack tells Alec about Danny's exchange with the postman, there's actually no evidence that the man is a postman. He's just a guy with a red polo top (no official Royal Mail markings) and a hi-vis vest (the postman they speak to later doesn't have an orange vest). His van also doesn't have a Royal Mail logo on it. I don't know why anyone would pose as a postman though?

[MadBusLady]

I think Nige is basically sympathetic, just a bit volatile and irresponsible and not really the kind of person you'd leave supervising your kids, hence he might have a part in the build-up to the murder, whatever it was. Agree I wouldn't like the whole "evil of your father" explanation, that would be a cop-out, I'm pretty sure that's just PQ's character obsessing (understandably) about the past and believing it explains everything in the present.

Blindworm, I wondered about that. As a cover for being out that early, maybe?

[MandragoraWurzelstock]

Nige reminds me of Gollum

If Danny went to meet Nigel that night - for a bit of shooting - and then Nigel got into the situation with the diesel, and had to syphon it, Danny would have been there at that point too presumably. Maybe he got Danny to do it or something.

If Danny had two phones, why don't we know what was on each of them - surely that's the first thing they would look at. He must have used one for 'normal' and one for stuff that his family didn't know about.

I can't believe it would be pornography or anything that dull really. But I can't think what it is.

Only thing I'm sure about is steve playing games with DT.

[MadBusLady]

Yes, I like that! Danny was there for the poaching/diesel incident. But then maybe whatever happened to him happened after that. Even after Nige had gone.

I keep wondering about smuggling too, in the context of rowing boats/drugs/porn. Is smuggling a real thing or is it all a bit less Famous Five than that?

[LizzyLiz]

Can I just gatecrash with my theory?

I think PQ saw a bald man and believes it was Nigel because she is so haunted by what her husband did and believes Nigel could be capable of it. But actually the man was Joe.

The whole picture of 2 happy families where parents and children are friends was blown apart by the murder. The Latimers were broken, leaving Ellie and Joe looking like a solid family unit. But this image is slowly being shown to be wrong and Ellie will be the last to realise that her family is as broken as the Latimers. Whils she is trying to solve what has happened to their family, hers is unravelling behind her back.

[DuelingFanjo]

in the flash back scenes during the questioning of PQ didn't the person carrying the body have a hoody on?

[antlerqueen]

I think he was too far away to see anything but a silhouette

[Nancyclancy]

I might have got this wrong but was the reason Mark was arrested because the CCTV picked up him and his van? If so, why did he have to walk through the town to catch a lift with Nigel???

[BOF]

Waaaaaay ahead of you, Lizzyliz

[ucasfracas]

Wow, some of you have picked up so much detail. I am loving it but find it hard to remember from one week to next.

My theory (and somebody else has said similar), is that it is some sort of accident but the whole point is that it causes complete turmoil in the community as everyone's secrets get revealed - contrasting with the first scene where the father went through the town saying hello to everyone and giving the impression that there are no secrets, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Punctuate this please...

[Juniperdewdropofbrandy]

Is it Monday yet?