so, is dame viv westwood right about Kate's makeup?

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I personally think she's right, KMid wears way too much liner and makes her look old.

(I know there is far more serious news issues to discuss, but this is s&b after all)

KM does need to go easy on the hard eyeliner.

But I would hardly take make up advice from VW! She's bonkers as conkers. I wouldn't wear her clothes either.

And she's just being rude.

I do love a serious issue such as this
I agree with VW, but that is some of the appeal of KM, to look how she wants to look and not how someone else wants her to look

VW is as mad as a mongoose

and has a face like a welder's bench

so I wouldn't be fretting if I were KM

haha face like welders bench.

agreed VW is hardly authority on makeup/beauty , but something about KM's eyeliner makes me twitch and want to tackle her with a cotton bud!

I agree with Dame V, too much liner, makes her look hard-faced and a bit common.

Yes, the eye-liner is too heavy for such a pretty face, she doesn't need it to be so black and hard. VW is slightly bonkers though.....

Yeah the eyeliner is dated far too bold

should we call her DoC now rather than KM

she's good looking, she can wear anything IMO. Let her have her own style fgs. Do we want her to resemble V.W.?

sorry that sounds a bit snottier than I meant it. I agree it isn't what I would choose for her but we all have to choose our own look and whatever she does with liner, she still looks good IMO

I've always thought that her eyeliner was too harsh, especially at her wedding - not very bridal. But I would much rather look like KM than VW!!

I know nothing about make up - can anyone link to an example of a "softer" look that would suit KM?

It's quite old news tbh - VW said it straight after the wedding iirc. And I agree with her - KM is beautiful but her eye makeup is crap.

My dd1 insists on wearing the hard black eye make up stuff too and it really annoys me - she's beautiful but the eye makeup just makes her look a bit grubby. I have no objection to lots of black eyeliner when done as the full on goth look but on somebody normally dressed, it looks silly imho.

agree with makeup artist in piece, eyeliner on bottom lids is ageing. melanie rickey has pronounced so on twitter.

softer for example would be saygrey not black and more smudged, less obvious a marked line. Would still emphasise the eyes

Totally agree with VW and I do think it looks a bit "common". I'm no expert but aren't you supposed to focus on the top lash-line? Bobbi Brown always does beautiful eyes (very defined liquid liner on the top only)
However, I do like that she is stubborn in her refusal to let anyone tell her what to do and that she recycles outfits.

moulesfrites - just imagine more blended in/smudgier in grey or brown, or even just eyeshadow blended near lash line.

I think she would look fab in a stronger lipstick and slightly retro flicked liquid liner. she has the dark hair to carry it off methinks.

I like that she recycles outfits, but sometimes a change of makeup style can also make an outfit look totally different.

i wouldn't take make up advice from VW

Yes she is! It's a style of eye makeup I often see on Posh girls actually...kind of too much and too black but also very 90s looking. Eary 90s at that.

I think KM is trying to look older.....she'll be doing the opposite once she has a baby.

Ppfft Lynette Why? Because she's OLD ffs?

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/content/images/2008/05/29/young_365x470.jpg&imgrefurl=www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/content/image_galleries/vivienne_westwood_exhibition_gallery.shtml%3F6&usg=__vJwN-gRrElB8QBuuIh6PxPQqu18=&h=470&w=365&sz=39&hl=en&start=1&sig2=CEh9vnH4DC9iWs2280MjTg&zoom=1&tbnid=mjW7KQ2h50HK_M:&tbnh=129&tbnw=100&ei=E4RBTvSPDouyhAfH9Z3xAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dvivienne%2Bwestwood%2Byoung%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4ACAW_enGB356GB357%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">she was young too once

I think Kate looks nice. Kate's appearance and behaviour has been virtually perfect, throughout her time in the public eye.

VW - OMFG. Her and her clothes are truly frightening. I don't really understand why she would comment on Kate's eye makeup in the first place - Kate is not one of her models.