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MNHQ do your advertisers know what happens here at night? Not very advertiser-friendly is it? The tabloids will be picking this up one day.

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NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 01:36

AIBU to make my DH lick my arse while I shart straight into his mouth and he swallows every drop

If I have to read that then so do you.

Do you want screenshots? I mean, they’ve already been accepted by whoever or whatever is checking them, so I can put them here, yes?

So, at what point are your advertisers going to cancel their adverts with you and start advertising on a porn site which is more family friendly than here?

I believe this is the second or third night in a row? And you don’t even pay people to monitor this?

BeckyAMumsnet · Yesterday 09:50

Hi all, thanks for all your posts.

What’s been happening overnight is horrible, and we completely understand why people are angry about it. We are too.

Unfortunately, this kind of trolling really is whack-a-mole. We suspend accounts, delete posts and block what we can, and the person behind it comes back under another account or changes tactics to try to get around the systems in place.
This isn’t unique to Mumsnet. Every large platform with user-generated content deals with the same problem, using a mix of automated detection, image and link screening, moderation and user reports. None of them has a magic filter that catches everything.

We do have protections in place here. Images are screened, links are screened and there are other automated measures running behind the scenes. We’re not going to publish the detail of all of those, as it would be fairly self-defeating.

The screenshot issue is a good example: uploaded images go through image screening, so a screenshot of offensive content may be blocked even if the original text appeared on the site. Your reports are also genuinely useful. They’re not a substitute for moderation - they’re another signal, particularly when someone is repeatedly changing accounts or tactics.

We also understand the suggestion that new users shouldn’t be able to post straight away, but there’s a real downside to that. People often arrive on Mumsnet because they need help now - with domestic abuse, pregnancy worries, a sick child or a crisis at home.

None of this means we think it’s good enough when this happens. We don’t. We made changes after the previous incident involving illegal images, and we continue to strengthen the protections we use.

Thank you to everyone who reported things last night, and especially to Nightwatch, who had a fairly grim few hours dealing with someone very determined to keep coming back.

MNHQ

BeckyAMumsnet · Yesterday 10:36

Thanks all - it’s a fair question.

We completely understand why, after a night like last night, 24-hour moderation feels like the obvious answer, but removing something once it appears is only part of the problem. The harder job is stopping someone who keeps changing accounts and tactics from getting it in front of users at all. A lot of the work that protects the site overnight is actually the less visible stuff, with systems designed to stop malicious content getting through in the first place and we are constantly working to improve on it.

Nightwatch are extra eyes, not unpaid moderators, and they have deliberately limited powers and responsibilities. We’re hugely grateful to them, but they are not expected to patrol the site all night or carry responsibility when a determined troll gets through.

All large platforms deal with trolling, but Mumsnet attracts a particular kind of hostility because a site used predominantly by women will inevitably attract some people motivated by misogyny as much as by the usual desire to disrupt.

@tinyspiny on stopping new users posting overnight - we could, but that would also mean telling genuine people arriving here frightened, desperate or needing support to come back in the morning. We don’t think that’s the right trade-off but we understand your reasoning.

BeckyAMumsnet · Yesterday 11:26

Hi @OrangeFlower14 images can be posted at any time, but they’re all subject to the same screening. As far as we can see, in this case the troll posted a GIF that was already available in the GIF library, rather than uploading a new image. GIFs have their own settings and controls, which we’re reviewing in light of what happened.

BeckyAMumsnet · Yesterday 11:33

@tinyspiny the vast majority of user reports and moderation issues still happen during the day, when the site is much busier. We don't think that people using the site at night should have less protection, but it's about matching different kinds of protection to where and when the greatest volume of issues occurs.

BeckyAMumsnet · Yesterday 12:46

NoCommentingFromNowOn · Yesterday 11:56

@BeckyAMumsnet I think we all know I have zero respect for the mods regarding their moderation, but don’t lie to us.

in this case the troll posted a GIF that was already available in the GIF library

You do not have gifs of women sucking large pink dildos with balls hanging down.

@NoCommentingFromNowOn sorry, crossed wires - I was referring to the gif they posted this thread. The other images we are reviewing now to see why they got through. We deal with a lot of images every day that are screened and blocked and while it's not perfect, it usually catches things like this. Will report back.

BeckyAMumsnet · Yesterday 15:16

Hi all. We’ve got to the bottom of what happened here.

Our image moderation systems worked as they should, but there was a problem with GIFs pulled directly from GIPHY. We introduced GIFs in 2023 and haven’t had any issues until last night, when someone discovered that the library contains some fairly risqué material and deliberately used it to cause trouble.

To be clear, the GIFs we’ve seen didn’t contain nudity or depict sexual activity, but they were obviously inappropriate for the discussions in which they were posted.

We’ve now placed tighter restrictions on GIPHY content. That may mean the occasional perfectly innocent GIF gets caught too, but our priority is to make sure conversations aren’t derailed by this kind of nonsense.

Thanks to everyone who raised the issue.

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