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Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO

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RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 07:31

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

OP posts:
Murloc · 19/08/2015 09:27

I'm on the list, albeit under both a name change and a password change.

I am furious that this has happened.

Yes, I know it was a phishing attack, and therefore (sort of) my own fault for not verifying the web address, but it seems a bit of a coincidence that recently MN has had issues from within regarding constant logouts, requiring us all to log back in repeatedly.

If MN had not had this problem recently, I guess that we would maybe have questioned the need to provide log in details, as it is, the recent crappy updates and glitches have made this a whole lot easier to happen.

FabULouse · 19/08/2015 09:27

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sliceofsoup · 19/08/2015 09:27

Great you aren't on it.

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 09:28

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iamaboveandBeyond · 19/08/2015 09:28

Nah slice, i follow anonymous on facebook, they would have mentioned it.

starsandunicorns · 19/08/2015 09:28

Im not on the list but
I changed my password yesterday in the afternoon do i need to do it again i am going by the mindset that they got all ppl that changed in the last week up to yeasterday

I changed to a differnt password which is not used anywhere else

LoopyLily · 19/08/2015 09:28

I'm shocked at Lisa mumsnets Shock

SoupDragon · 19/08/2015 09:29

LisaMumsnets might be a default password for a new account

neepsandtatties · 19/08/2015 09:29

Does the inclusion of all the Mumsnet HQ staff details on the list mean that all of those people were caught out by the phishing too? Surprises me (as a complete tecchy no-nothing) that the admin staff access mumsnet through a normal browsers, as us mere mortals, I would have thought they would have extra levels of security to get through (considering the 'power' they have).

00100001 · 19/08/2015 09:29

eeek, just did some spot checks, some people haven't changed their password still :(

Thurlow · 19/08/2015 09:29

Thanks Binary!

GreatSoprendo · 19/08/2015 09:29

Thank goodness - thank you slice and altinkum. It's a lesson in password security for me anyway, as I use the same passwords for lots of things. Off to make some changes......

oldsilver · 19/08/2015 09:30

Thanks 0001

Harrietsferrets · 19/08/2015 09:30

I tried to change my password but have forgot the one on file, is there a forgot password button on the account page?

PeppermintPasty · 19/08/2015 09:31

Can anyone tell me if I'm on the list please? I've not been on site for a few weeks, but I'm not sure that makes a difference. TIA.

sliceofsoup · 19/08/2015 09:31

Just a wannabe then iamaboveandBeyond.

I saw a comment yesterday where a poster said something along the lines of, its funny what men do when women find a space and a voice.

Really agreed with that but didn't have time to reply.

Mutt · 19/08/2015 09:31

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Bellemere · 19/08/2015 09:32

This is the log in page that shows for me. If you look in the address bar, the https is striked through and yellow rather than the green that indicates the site is secure. Does this mean the login page is still insecure?
I got this link from the OP.

Site attacks, hackergate and resetting passwords - here's what we know, what we're doing about it and what we think you should do. PLEASE READ! PART TWO
LoopyLily · 19/08/2015 09:32

Peppermint - no your not on the list.

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 09:32

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NotMyMonkey · 19/08/2015 09:33

Thanks to minion and altinkum for checking my name and to everyone doing checks. Much appreciated

PeppermintPasty · 19/08/2015 09:33

Thanks Loopy, much appreciated.

magimedi · 19/08/2015 09:33

I am on the list & the password is the one I changed from yesterday at 4.30pm. So the current password I am using is not on the list.

I can't believe some of the passwords used by MNHQ!!

GeorgeA · 19/08/2015 09:34

How can i tell if my username is on the list? Worried now Hmm

MmeLindor · 19/08/2015 09:35

MNHQ
I know you are really busy, but could you add a DELETE ALL PMS button to the PM page? It's taking me ages to go through and delete them.