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Deletions - These are ludicrous

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Hullygully · 29/05/2012 09:26

Ok, that's enough now MNHQ

Stop it with the mad deleting.

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JustineMumsnet · 30/05/2012 09:42

@pinkpyjamas

I agree with BIWI and Maryz.

It would be a shame if the noticeable increase in deletions were connected to any revenue issues, such as demands from advertisers for the site to have a certain atmosphere.

One of the best things about MN is that conversations can be robust and challenging, but when the chips are down, it's a supportive, pro-active and vocal community.

Good morning all. As I may have caused some confusion last night by my unfortunate omission of the "not" can I state again:

Deletions - if they are occurring more frequently, as many here contend - are not doing so because of revenue issues/ advertisers' demands/ marketing strategy etc. There has been no change in policy/ direction/ expectations of the mod team. Zilch, nada, none.

So if things have changed then either:

  1. More things are being reported
  2. There's a different interpretation of the rules going down

We are going to investigate this.

Wrt to troll hunting and our policy of zero tolerance - this has always, always been a contentious issue ever since ye olde days of Judge Flounce and you all know why we think troll hunting is pernicious but I do take the points raised by BIWI, Hester and others lower down the thread that things may not be working optimally. We will have conflabs here at HQ this morning and I'll be back.

MNHQ

JustineMumsnet · 30/05/2012 09:56

@LtEveDallas

No no, absolutely, but that is kind of my point. The rules are too ambiguous, you and I (and obvs Seeker) see the same words, but with different meanings, and therefore different outcomes.

I'm not joking (or being purposely antagonistic), when I say that I absolutely don't see that line as a personal attack. But you do. So for eg OliviaMN might see it my way, and JustineMN your way - and therein lies the confusion.

I think that kind of inconsistency is going to happen every now and then - and tbh has for some time - as no one person can mod the site by themselves. I think around the grey areas/fine lines we just have to accept that.

I don't think you can set a rule for every situation - better to make sure people are modding in the right spirit, as it were (that's where we need perhaps to recalibrate things a bit...).

MNHQ

JustineMumsnet · 30/05/2012 09:57

@marzipananimal

MNHQ, I was wondering if someone reports my post saying 'Hully is a twat' (hypothetical only!), are you then obliged to delete it, even if it's obvious from the context that we're joking around and Hully is not upset by it?

Can imagine this being problematic with all the report-happy Po brigade

No, absolutely, we aim to put things in context and not delete light-hearted rudeness.

MNHQ

JustineMumsnet · 30/05/2012 09:58

@BIWItheBold

Here you go, Justine:

Wine

It's a bit early for that innit - even for me?

MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 30/05/2012 15:08

@Thumbwitch

Hello all. Just a quick post to say we are here, we have talked, and that Justine is planning to post an update this afternoon.

Not quite sure when exactly as she's had to go off to a long pre-arranged meeting - but we didn't want you to think we weren't intending to come back to this thread.

MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 30/05/2012 15:25

@BIWItheBold

Can we just play here a bit, Helen, until Mummy Justine comes back? Grin

If you want to. And you play nicely

MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 30/05/2012 16:16

Hello. Yes, that thread was deleted because posters were attacking other posters.

Among other things, the poster who thought the thread was boring was called a snide cunt and an arsehole.

And other posters were attacking those who wanted to talk about BOF and Stratters as, among things, bullies and namechanging troublemakers.

We took the decision that going through and deleting every single PA individually would take up for ever and would, in any case, render the thread nonsensical.

We do agree it was a shame to lose the Malory Towers riff, though...

MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 30/05/2012 16:22

@Maryz

So please Helen can you answer this:

So now, anyone who wants to stop the so-called regulars chatting on a thread can just shove in innane sarcy comments and if anyone replies they call us bullies and have the thread deleted. .

Do you want all the regs to stop talking to each other? Because if so, just say so and we'll go somewhere else.

No, it was our decision to delete the thread. No one asked us to - although we did get reports about some posts from parties on, er, both sides of the divide.

Of course, regulars can chat amongst themselves. But that doesn't mean it's then OK for them to attacks others who post.

Equally, it's not OK for posters to come onto a thread and call other posters bullies and namechanging troublemakers.

MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 30/05/2012 16:23

@bibbitybobbitybunny

Sorry Helen, I don't buy that. I missed the last hour or so on that thread but any personal attacks which were seriously personal could have been deleted in a minute.

I think you deleted it because it was so full of negative thoughts about this site at the moment.

If that were true, bibbity, we'd have deleted this thread Wink

MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 30/05/2012 16:28

@ScrambledSmegs

Agree with bibbity. The goader was deeply unpleasant and MNHQ left her nasty posts to stand for ages, but deleted the thread when we'd gone MT?

Wrong priorities. Really wrong.

Please don't read anything into the timing of the deletion. It was not a case of looking at the nasty posts and leaving things to stand. We deleted the thread pretty much as soon as we started to look at the reports that had come in about it. We have a pretty heaving inbox today, so there may have been some time between the report buttons being pressed and us picking them up.

MNHQ

HelenMumsnet · 30/05/2012 16:33

Again, we didn't delete the thread because anyone asked us to.

We deleted it because some "regulars" (for want of a better word) were attacking other "non-regulars" AND because some the the "non-regulars" were attacking the regulars for being bullies and troublemakers.

MNHQ

JustineMumsnet · 30/05/2012 19:52

I've posted on this here

We'll stop contributions to this thread now as it's getting so large, it's breaking things.

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