mn hq, can we have an explanation - jess - and maybe re other trolls in future?

[wannaBe]

I am aware that you can't divulge the means by which you determine whether or not a poster is genuine, predominantly because if you make that common knowledge then posters will know how to avoid being detected in the future.

but jess (long ongoing eleven weeks abortion threads) threads have now been deleted for being a troll, and I was wondering if, given it's the site users who usually report these things, we could perhaps have a bit more by way of explanation?

e.g. when sassysusan was banned, mn hq confirmed that she had previously posted as washwithcare, and users were able to identify.

There has been some speculation that jess was dizzymare, and I wondered whether this was the case?

Also, these threads have been ongoing for over a month now. How is it that it takes quite this long to determine that someone isn't actually all they seem?

you go McKenzie!

Yup TheOne

Maybe I just need more or ?

MNHQ can read private messages? Oh farkin' hell.... they cant really though....can they?

Oh oooh, can I sit on the bench for the bewildered?

I have been here fucking years and I never spot trolls. But I think I stay from really emotional stuff. I certainly never post anything where I would ve upset if the op turned out to be Reg posting one handed from his truck.

Could I maybe hire someone to work as a personal trolldar.

Bring your laptop shabba 55 mins of MNing peace

Shabbs good??? Yes, i've heard that in certain circles....

wannaBe thanks for starting this thread

Helen thanks for explanation. I've purposefully held off reporting "trolls" as if you suggest on a thread such as the jess one that there are indescrepencies (sp) and that all may not be above board, you get jumped on. Also second leBof (think it was her) who said sometimes its a gut feeling. On future dodgy threads which make my tail tingle, I'll be reporting them.

Well that's a revelation. Can I sit on the bench too while I get over the

@hathorinareddress

So if I posted "Fuck off you cunt" it would be deleted on the grounds of the "fuck off" and not the "you cunt"?

No it would be deleted on the grounds of it being a personal attack. The sweariness of it doesn't matter.

So...

Fuck off, HelenMumsnet... is a personal attack

HelenMumsnet, you are an idiot.... is a personal attack

HelenMumsnet, you are ugly... is a personal attack

HelenMumsnet, the way you're trying to explain what a personal attack is is fucking rubbish ... is NOT a personal attack (though not very civilised)

Ok thanks. Just a thought - Hectate is going to be bummed she missed this if she's not lurking. On day one of her self imposed ban too!

(Sorry bad timing, the revelation is MN reading PMs not Mama's post!)

poor Helen. Don't be so hard on yourself lovey

Helen, oon the 'another thread banished' thread we are wondering why the first thread was deleted?? Can you come over and tell us? ( alpha course thread)

I dont know I go out for the day and everythings all changed.

Jess was the first troll I had encountered (that I know of) and even though in the first thread (towards the end) I was having suspisions I didnt like to report or say anthing for fear that I was being a nasty cow. I will take from this that I need to report anything if I feel I need to. Lesson learned :)

I want a 'like' button for HelenMNs last comment :)

One of the things that differentiated MN back when was that posts weren't deleted much, it was the only non-moderated board I knew. I thought that not moderating seemed to make people more thoughtful as they knew their words would stand while heavily moderated boards seem to create a schoolroom atmosphere.

The anti-troll hunter furore that led to troll hunting being banned was interesting too. It seemed to me that if I were a troll I would have loved that argument and done all I could to whip it up. There's a double benefit as it makes it easier to troll and, if that's not enough, it's a rule that can be used to poke and stir.

I never spot trolls. I always seem to get here after everything has kicked off. Maybe that's a good thing ?

I can't help it, whenever anyone says "troll" I have a picture in my head of a cute little plastic figurine with multi-coloured hair sticking up.

Oh yes Im a proper saint.......