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Is pushing women out the way, pushing doors or cupboard door into women a thing some men do?

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Seawaves30 · Today 00:16

Hi I was just wondering if this is a thing or if any woman have experienced this when a male partner shoves past you / closes doors when stood behind doors or opens cupboard doors when you are stood behind a cupboard door. These events happen infrequently say every 6-8 weeks and not outwardly violent and could be normal just moving past people and opening doors behaviour, so it’s hard to know. Examples are:

  • If I’m stood in front drawers in kitchen and he wants to use the drawer, he will push me with both hands out the way so I move about 30-60 cm but he won’t say excuse me.
  • I’m stood in hallway doing something and I’m not aware he wants to go past me he will barge into me with his shoulder but not in an outwardly violent way just in a small quick silent shove with subtle undertone of ‘get out of my way’. He doesn't always do this though, it has only happened a few times.
  • again only a few times if i’m stood in pantry with door wide open as he walks in kitchen (I think he would know I’m behind door) and he pushed the pantry door hard so I’m pressed up against fridge, it’s not overtly forceful but feels like undertone of quick relatively forceful subtle aggression. He has done this a few times but one time after I turned his music down as baby crying and he kept turning music up to drown out the sound and I kept turning his music off and he was quite annoyed with me and pushed the pantry door into me so feels as though could be linked. I feel he must know as he must feel resistance as door hits into me and most people would then stop but hard to think back and work it out if it happened so quick he couldn’t think.
  • if I’m stood next to cupboard he needs open he won’t say excuse me he will open door forcefully so it goes into my face about an inch from my face.
  • whilst swimming in deep sea on first holiday he aggressively kept tickling me so I felt unable to tread water and ragged my bikini top forcefully and I remember feeling scared and swimming as fast as I could away from him so hard as almost like he is joking but I feel uncomfortable with it.
There’s other issues in terms of how he never really seemed to care, delayed taking me hospital when in labour by 2.5 hours when in pain, in second labour midwives had a go at him as he kept saying I didn’t need portable gas and air, and how he repeatedly refused to wheel gas and air to toilet for me. He doesn’t help much with child care or housework when he spends about 14 hours a week on his hobbies, and if I ask him for help he will turn it back to me saying I’m nagging him or subtly mock me how I haven’t got friends to meet or hobbies to do. But I stopped asking him for help with kids or housework about almost a year ago. Despite me being healthy BMI he also use to make infrequent comments on my eating as in to shame me for eating, say how I need to do more exercise and say my portion sizes were too big even when I was eating mostly veg or salad but he stopped this since we stopped talking. I’m quiet in the house and don’t talk to him and stopped sleeping with him about a year ago. It really upsets me the physical intimation type incidents and I can’t get my head around it as when I google it nothing like this subtle type behaviour comes up making me feel it could be me fixating or obsessing on this and I feel i need to stop overthinking and obsessing about the relationship. So I wonder if anyone has experienced this subtle infrequent minor physical intimidation that appears with plausible deniability or I’m aware it could be me more overthinking. I am planning to leave in 1-2 years time. but I want to know if ‘it’s a thing’ about the shoving out the way incidents or pushing doors or cupboard door or doors into women as I’m constantly googling and can’t find anything. Thank you in advance for any comments.
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LidlLife · Today 00:19

He sounds like a cunt.

lizardwizard · Today 00:21

This man is abusive and dangerous. Physical violence will always escalate. 1-2 years is a long time to continue rolling the dice on whether or not he seriously hurts you. He will eventually. You need to leave ASAP.

Minasama · Today 00:23

He sounds like an absolute dick.
No idea with a man like this, if you stand your ground does he get violent?

Goodness OP, I just read more. He wouldn’t let you have gas and air during childbirth??! I don’t recall my husband having any say in that because the midwives offered it to me! But a decent man advocates for his partner, he doesn’t stop her getting pain relief. That is very controlling. He doesn’t sound like a good man.

DeathByTeacake · Today 00:23

It's absolutely deliberate. This is a nasty, abusive man and I think you need to get your ducks in a row much earlier than 1-2 years. His behaviour will only escalate OP. Please protect yourself from this vile specimen.

spaghettiandicecream · Today 00:25

he sounds horrible… can you see you still with this man and his behaviour in 5 years time ?

DewDropsAndCobWebs · Today 00:29

No, no one in my life does this.
He is an asshole, from the sounds of it. Any particular reason you haven't left him?

VenusThighTrap · Today 00:36

First reply nails it.

it’s death by a thousand cuts - lots of small ways he’s showing you he has power and control - and contempt for you.

I’ve been married for 20+ years even after all this time it’s still normal to say excuse me when we need to get by etc.

Seawaves30 · Today 00:36

Thank you for replies, most the time it is fine although in terms just living in house together like housemates and paying bills together, we don’t interact and the bad events are infrequent which makes it confusing. There are no good events either though. Got two children and would struggle afford somewhere until mid 2028 as part time, unless I find another job but then stress with childcare, but I may think more seriously about options.

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Boreded · Today 00:37

That’s him, not men. He is a dick head and you can do better.

chattyness · Today 00:45

Get away from him as soon as you can, he's testing to see how far he can push and this will escalate to actual physical violence when he really harms you. Don't put up with it, get away.

biggestcatmom · Today 00:53

Excuse me is the normal. OP he’s abusive, I hope you can leave him soon,

FlamingoFloss · Today 00:56

Where are you living? Women’s refuge will help you leave as soon as you want to without having to wait until 2028. This behaviour is not normal and is harmful for you and your children

FrustratedApples · Today 01:05

Dangerous and he's testing to see how much he can get away with. He's likely to end up seriously harming you or the DC. I'd get advice from Women's Aid.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · Today 01:10

How easily can you get away from this nightmare of a man?

nocoolnamesleft · Today 01:13

Definitely agree that he's abusive. Please look into how you can safely get out.

WinterBlues26 · Today 01:24

You are being abused. You've been abused from at least the birth of your first child. Contact Women's Aid and your GP for support and advice Flowers

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · Today 01:35

once = accident
twice = could be careless
three times = deliberate

This is not something a normal loving caring kind husband / father of your child does.

XiCi · Today 01:52

No its not normal, at all. Honestly I got the chills reading your OP. He's going to end up really hurting you. Please leave sooner rather than later.

BrickMaker · Today 01:56

This type of subtle but constant aggression is really hard to deal with precisely because he will say 'you are over reacting' and it can be easy to gaslight yourself too. Go with how it makes you feel on a consistent basis. When he does this, does it make you feel afraid? Do you feel he is doing it to punish you?

Here is an example from my own life to help you get clarity:
A man I used to work with used to do the following: if he saw me coming out my office would immediately get up rush after me and virtually chase me down the stairs or around the building often brushing past me aggressively or putting his body so close to mine that I could feel the wind off him as he passed, he would put his arm up so I had to walk under it and block doorways, would walk forcibly between me and other men; instead of moving when I needed to get to something in the kitchen he would raise his arms so I had to stand really close to him to get my cups etc; he would aggressively slam doors around me and then look for my reaction.

A little different to what you are experiencing but the MOTIVATION is the same: to intimidate you. To have power over you. To feel powerful. To take his anger out on you for some perceived fault or action. In the case of this man he was angry because I had essentially rejected his advances. I just want to say that I think you should leave this situation now, while you still can. That person's behaviour really damaged me and this will be doing the same to you. Living on tenterhooks like that is not good for your mental health and his behaviour could escalate to actual serious assault. I tried to appease this person but that just made things worse. You need to talk to a DV line or something this behaviour is not what normal healthy men do.

SometimesThingsHappen · Today 02:57

I'm sorry, but this man hates you! You deserve better treatment than this. I agree with a PP that it's subtle enough that he can gaslight you that you are making a big deal about nothing. And it's working, which is why you are here asking for the opinions of strangers.

Please make the moves to get yourself and your children safe.

Bringemout · Today 04:29

He’s fucking horrible to be honest. DH will move me out the way if we are talking by gently grabbing me by the hips and steering me out the way if we are mid convo, usually he just says “can I just get in that cupboard” or if he wants to get in an upper cupboard he’ll yell “watch your head” (I’m short, so he can open the cupboard without hitting me). When I was in labour Dh had literally just got to work and had to turn around immediately, he was back in 20 minutes and he was of the opinion that I do my birth however I wanted because I was the one doing it not him. He’s a very normal man, a good man but normal.

He wants to hurt you and is just stopping short is what I’m reading from this, he likes watching you flinch. He will smash a door into you at some point. You need to think about leaving. If someone behaved like this to me I’m fairly sure they would actually hate me.

I’m sorry OP he sounds fucking dangerous and awful, he’s going to at the minimum turn you into a nervous wreck at some point.

morethanspice · Today 06:44

This is domestic violence and a predictor of worse to follow. My advice is to regard this as unacceptable and make plans to separate. Seek advice from Women’s Aid if you can but don’t gaslight yourself into thinking you are overreacting.

Seaoftroubles · Today 06:49

Of course it's not normal OP. He is abusive and potentially dangerous. As others have said this behaviour will escalate and he could cause you serious harm. Speak to Women's Aid ASAP, you need to get away from him as soon as you can and they will advise you on how to do that safely.

Yogabearmous · Today 06:50

The sea incident made me go cold. He was effectively trying to drown you, or wanted you start panicking.

he likes watching you scared. There is a very dangerous element to this man imo.

morethanspice · Today 06:56

My ex did similar. “Shouldering” me out of the way in hallways. Starfishing in bed so I had no room in the bed. Coercing me into sex in risky places.

The list goes on but the shoving you out of the way is a huge red flag.