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What should I do? Functional alcoholic co parent

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whatsupsunshine · Yesterday 14:34

Hi all. Would love some insight. My husband of 10 years and I have recently decided to separate. Despite there being several big issues, It is very amicable and we care deeply about each other but the romantic part of our relationship is over and we want to let go before things turn sour with the hope that we can be peaceful co-parents and stay together as a family unit in some way. For now we are planning to stay living together (separate rooms) as we can’t afford a second residence. I am the primary earner currently and while he is working a little he has struggled to find full time work after being fired a year ago. But we are ok with trying to live together and have this kinda ‘happy uncoupling plan’ in mind that we are trying to implement.

BUT there is a glitch in the plan- his drinking. I don’t know if I would call him an alcoholic but he is for sure a problem drinker - probably boarder line alcoholic. This has been an issue since we first started dating and was the main factor in why our relationship fizzled. His drinking has gone up and down over the years and today is much better then it once was. BUT he still drinks most days and is unable to keep his promise of not drinking while looking after the kids. When he drinks he is functional- he can make the dinner, put the kids to bed, do the things. He is not aggressive and he doesn’t drive drunk (we don’t have a car) but he is … you know, tipsy- silly, sappy, repetitive. I honestly hate it and is wish he could keep it away from me and the kids. But I am starting to actually accept that no matter how many boundaries we discuss or plans we put in place- he just can’t. He has never tried to get sober (and doesn’t want to now) but has done a couple of ‘cutting back / harm reduction’ style treatment programs. And as I said he is MUCH better than he once was but it is still an issue. He is essentially parenting drunk / buzzed, at a functional level, at least once a week.

But here is where I am at. I could make him leave and go and live with his family who lives an hour and a half a way and be the a full time solo parent. (He knows this is potential outcome if his drinking gets any worse) But that is so hard. I own a small business and my key earning moments require me to be out of the home two nights a week. So I would need to pay for childcare (which I can’t really afford right now) and then the logistics of trying to fully run our lives as the solo parent and earner feels impossible. If he was abusive or getting absolutely hammered every day then obviously I would do this but as the drinking is ‘not that bad’ I have this feeling that letting him stay in our home and splitting the parenting is less chaotic then making him fully leave. I feel like my mental health and exhaustion levels will be way worse to have him not here at all. I also think his drinking will deteriorate and I want to support him in hopfully getting better.

But obviously the biggest factor here are my kids (5 and 9). I have read enough posts by kids who grew up with functional alcoholic parents to know it fucked them up- but most of them talk about parents who were aggressive and unreliable drunks. Not parents who were fine a lot of them time and then fuzzy, silly some of the time. Does that make a difference?

Here is my question -Which is the better outcome for the kids:

Option A)dad moves out, mom runs the show and is frazzled, exhausted and broke. They have a sitter two nights a week until they are old enough to be left alone. I have no family close by to help.

Option B) dad stays, attempts to manage his drinking, sometimes parents drunk but functional. Has sober days too. We keep our little family unit together and I keep supporting him to unwind his drinking. I get some support.

Both of these options suck. What would you do?

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SilenceLaySteadily · Yesterday 14:41

I can understand how/why people use alcohol as a coping mechanism, but consistently being drunk/tipsy (beyond a glass with dinner, etc) when you're responsible for kids is a problem.

Have you given him the 'bare minimum' speech? It's not a lot to ask for.

LadyLooo · Yesterday 14:44

But here is where I am at. I could make him leave and go and live with his family who lives an hour and a half a way and be the a full time solo parent.

How could you make him leave when you're married?

Is the house in your name only?

whatsupsunshine · Yesterday 14:45

Thanks for your comment! What’s the bare minimum speech? We have had MANY conversations about boundaries and recently decided that there would be no drinking at all in front of the kids at home (from either of us). And while I believe he wants to do this, he understands the implications if he doesn’t - he has not been able to stick to that plan.

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whatsupsunshine · Yesterday 14:46

@LadyLooowell I guess I can’t make him leave but I can ask him to leave. Currently we are in good terms and he has agreed to doing this if his drinking gets worse

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Sunbringer · Yesterday 14:48

Your happy uncoupling doesn’t work when he a) still plans to rely on you financially and b) you have an opinion on his drinking and parenting.

This is why living together doesn’t work. You haven’t actually separated. You have just pulled away emotionally and sexually while he continues to negatively impact you and rely on you and you continue to try and control him.

Sunbringer · Yesterday 14:50

Also your A and B plans aren’t realistic. In reality your husband would leave and if he asked for it he would get some custody. It would be illegal for you to prevent this even if you suspected he was drinking as it isn’t illegal to drink if you are able to function and sufficiently care for the kids and you are not breaking the law by driving etc.

The reality would be dad would leave, parents would share custody.

SilenceLaySteadily · Yesterday 14:50

whatsupsunshine · Yesterday 14:45

Thanks for your comment! What’s the bare minimum speech? We have had MANY conversations about boundaries and recently decided that there would be no drinking at all in front of the kids at home (from either of us). And while I believe he wants to do this, he understands the implications if he doesn’t - he has not been able to stick to that plan.

Well that kind of covers it. If he can't cut down enough to keep the kids safe, there's not really a lower acceptable bar than that, unfortunately.

Meadowfinch · Yesterday 14:53

My ex was similar, swore he didn't have a drink problem, could stop any time but drank 70 units a week, every week.

I could never trust him to drive ds. At least you don't have that issue. But he would fall asleep, make unwise decisions, not concentrate and was seemingly unable to recognise risk.

In the end I took full time care of ds and hired a babysitter when necessary. Ds' safety had to come first. Ex didn't argue because it meant he was free to go to the pub in peace.

DS is now an adult and is t-total having seen the state his dad gets in.

whatsupsunshine · Yesterday 14:55

@Sunbringerso what would you suggest? The only separate living option for us would mean that he would have to live an hour and a half away so we wouldn't be able to split custody equally. I’ll happily take an option C if someone sees one 🫠

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whatsupsunshine · Yesterday 14:56

@Meadowfinchthank you for sharing that. It sounds similar to my situation

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PaperMachePanda · Yesterday 15:14

So if you're splitting up but cohabiting you're still paying for him and his lifestyle?

Screw that for a jar of biscuits.

AttilaTheMeerkat · Yesterday 15:17

His primary relationship is with drink, not you and the kids. It’s never been with you all.

There are no guarantees here: he could go onto lose everything and everyone around him and he could still choose to drink afterwards. It’s also called the family disease with good reason because you are all affected by his alcoholism. It’s not do much the amount he drinks but the effects his drinking has on you all that is yhe ptoblem here. By the way did you see similar drinking behavior as a child?.

You as his spouse are playing out the usual roles associated with such spouses: those of codependent partner, enabler and provoker. They do not warrant a drunkard for a parent in their day to day lives. Bite the bullet here and divorce him and from that start to rebuild you lives as a single parent. Options an and b are botj not viable.

cordeliavorkosigan · Yesterday 15:21

It's there any option C like get an au pair?
Without his drink budget how broke would you really be?
I know mn will disagree but tbh if I had to choose strictly between your two options I would go with B .
And have the DC have several numbers they can call just in case something happens.

AttilaTheMeerkat · Yesterday 15:21

Do you really want him to be in charge of your kids?. Split custody equally?. Are you thinking clearly here, no.

He’s not fit to parent them at all. If he is bothered about them at all he needs to arrange to see them in a contact centre snd to be sober there. Certainly not unsupervised.

Is he ever sober or is he always on a comedown from alcohol?. That is far more likely.

AttilaTheMeerkat · Yesterday 15:25

And when he is in your home and unable to cope with the kids he will drink and you will come home to chaos. Your life will be easier without him in it day to day. How would he be able to take his child to somewhere like hospital in the event of an accident within the home?. He would not be able to.

NeverDropYourMooncup · Yesterday 15:32

B is actually where he continues to drink as there's been no negatives experienced as a result of it, he lives like a spoiled pet with the ability to fuck everything up for you at any time, he gets maudlin because you won't sleep with him, accuses you of having affairs, steps up the drinking because you've admitted basically that you won't do anything to prevent him putting the kids at risk, you don't have the ability to move on with your life and you will never, ever know what you're going to find when you open the front door.

Paying for safe childcare would mean you know there is nothing beyond that front door to worry you.

AttilaTheMeerkat · Yesterday 15:39

Can you bring another person into your business and make it a partnership?. How viable is it to continue it as it is or could you sell it?.

Enabling your h as you have done has done you no favours whatsoever. Nor has it helped him. It’s only given you a false sense of control.

Put your kids and you front and centre now, not your drunkard husband who does not care either way.

drusilla49 · Yesterday 15:41

I’m in the process of splitting from a co habitual partner who has been a functioning alcoholic for years. He is not my DS father and DS is an adult anyway, so I spire Kate my situation is now where near as complicated as yours. But from a practical viewpoint on dealing with alcoholics, my advice is forget uncoupling, and just go for divorce and separate housing. He will always put alcohol first. You cannot co-parent with an alcoholic. Sharing a house with a ex whose primary relationship is with alcohol will
probably be more difficult than being in relationship with him. Start your new life now, without him in it. It will be hard work but worth it.

SayDoWhatNow · Yesterday 15:56

Even putting the drinking aside, I think living together while separated is the worst of both worlds.

You are divorcing because you find living with and being in a relationship with him intolerable. If you are separated but living together:

  • you still have to live with and see and be annoyed and inconvenienced by the intolerable things
  • he has no motivation to change those things and you have no leverage over him because you are not in a relationship any more.

It is also emotionally tricky trying to live with your ex - everything feels familiar but you aren't emotionally or physically close with each other any more. It's very easy to get caught up in very unpleasant dynamics:

  • you want closeness, he refuses and vice versa
  • you want to discuss co-parenting and it becomes an argument about "you can't control what I do because you dumped me"
  • loads of arguments about chores/mental load because you are still tied together in a household and your behaviour impacts each other
  • not feeling able to relax in your own space because your ex is in it.

Now bringing the alcohol back into the equation. You say you want to help him cut down, but you've been helping and helping him in the relationship and he's not able to even meet you half way. Given that that is the reason you are divorcing, why would you continue to put yourself through the emotional pain of trying to help him with something he says he will do/change but can't/won't.

Thomas455 · Yesterday 16:03

First thing to do is to get him to admit he has a problem, once that barrier is broken down, then give him your support, he would likely break down and cry because he doesn't want this either I can assure you, then he will be far more likely to address the situation rather than throwing the baby out with the bath water so to speak. If after that and it fails, then you can hold your head up high and say you've done all you can and then move on to wherever the path takes you. Men are lonely souls that rarely open up, that's the way we are "supposed" to be. They are a hard nut to crack. There is plenty of help out there, so maybe when and if you can get inside the soft spot then from there on in, there are plenty of help groups/mens groups out there that you can Google. If I loved someone then I would go to the ends of the earth to try at least.

AttilaTheMeerkat · Yesterday 16:23

Poor advice from Thomas.

Many alcoholics are in denial and it’s not op’s job to get him out of denial. Her main focus needs to be her own self and kids. Op could benefit from attending Al-anon meetings or at the very least read their literature.

He does not want OPs support and besides which the op is not a rehab centre nor should act as one. She could wait many years for him to have an epiphany that may well not happen. There are no guarantees when it comes to alcoholism.

He has to want to address the causes of his alcoholism of his own accord; op cannot help him do that.

crazymommaclub · Yesterday 17:03

So you’re going to basically support him including paying for the alcohol he drinks, live in the same house, share the childcare, but not have sex/be in a romantic relationship? Sounds like most long term marriages!
Why not just stay married

crazymommaclub · Yesterday 17:08

if you actually split up, get a smaller place and stop supporting him, I’m sure you’ll have much more spare cash so you can pay for childcare if needed. Although if he’s a decent dad he will have the kids on the days/nights you need to work. He needs to move in with his family and realise what he’s lost, otherwise you’re just enabling him to carry on and you’re wasting both your lives.
Not only will it grate on you that you are still supporting him, what happens if he meets someone else? You’re just delaying the inevitable.

Pinadaqx2 · Yesterday 17:11

I would say no drinking in the house at all. How does he afford it with no job? So he has not worked for 12 months? He needs to get job hunting ASAP!

Pinadaqx2 · Yesterday 17:12

crazymommaclub · Yesterday 17:03

So you’re going to basically support him including paying for the alcohol he drinks, live in the same house, share the childcare, but not have sex/be in a romantic relationship? Sounds like most long term marriages!
Why not just stay married

Terrible advise

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