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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Carry On Past The Christmas Party (part 1)

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TheMousefaceBeforeChristMouse · 03/12/2010 16:22

Hello.

Welcome to The Brave Babes Bus. I'm Mouseface and I used to abuse alcohol and to be honest, there is always a risk that I'll do it again.

This is a bus journey for those who drink too much, or drink now and then, not at all, or actually aren't quite sure what their drinking means to them.

Come and meet the other Brave Babes, everyone is welcome. Xmas Smile

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Silverbaubleonatree · 15/12/2010 11:51

Right off to my 3rd meeting - don't really need to hear all this when I am feeling so positive - very very early days for me but at the moment I feel like I have finally found something that I can make work for me.

See you all later Xmas Grin xxx

desiretochange · 15/12/2010 11:55

My point exactly Silver!

Fortheverylasttime · 15/12/2010 11:58

To the MODEL of a as a disease. Yes I can see plenty of use in that. My own version (this will be quite boring) is my electrician who was a man who did everything bad healthwise, got ill, got diagnosed with can't remember what, but I could ask him, and was told in one single swoop that he had to give up alcohol, cigarettes, caffeine, sugar, gluten, dairy, the list went on. I was fairly fascinated how he did it, and he just couldn't have been clearer. He did it because he had no choice whatsover. He wasn't happy with it, but he was philosophical. HE FELT (PROBABLY RIGHTLY) THAT HE HAD NO CHOICE. I get a gluten free flapjack for him; that is about the height of it for him these days.

I can use this as a help to me, especially with smoking. I tell myself that have the electricians's illness, and that I am going to have to put his philosophical head on. And I could do with doing more of this wrt smoking or I will be seeing my own doctor soon.

I went straight from hospital (wisdom teeth) to Clive's tut, as a massive favour to my partner, (obviously I should have been in bed after general anaesthetic) because otherwise she would have been in the room alone with Clive and she had terrifying Benny Hill forebodings. I was a crap feminist. I thought it was all hilarious. Too much David Lodge.

Fortheverylasttime · 15/12/2010 11:59

Thurso, when you found the lump, did you swear you would never smoke again?

TheMousefaceBeforeChristMouse · 15/12/2010 11:59

Silver - hope it goes well. xx

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desiretochange · 15/12/2010 12:08

Forthe why don't you pm Miflaw with all that spouting and leave the rest of us "vulnerable" people to battle on our own way Angry

Fortheverylasttime · 15/12/2010 12:08

The student stuff is a subtle way of Miflaw and I reconnecting after a spat.

What we are all concerned with here is something, lets call it something, that kills over 9000 people each year. (I got that from the BBC website. I thought it was much higher than that. But obviously it affects many many more than that. ) So I think that looking at all the facts that there are, and all the different approaches that people have tried, is a good idea. If we were on the multiple sclerosis thread, we would be discussing different drugs and therapies, sharing information.

The person who has helped me most on this series of threads is not around anymore. I am sure that person had no idea that they helped me. Words are good.

MIFLAW · 15/12/2010 12:09

Desire

It is not me who is concerning myself with the vulnerability of others.

desiretochange · 15/12/2010 12:14

Also, whether or not it is an illness, it can be a useful MODEL for some people. So all I was asking is that you flag it up as an opinion, rather than being quite so strident about it being a fact, and let these vulnerable individuals do what is best for them.

Your words MIFLAW

Fortheverylasttime · 15/12/2010 12:15

I am not talking to Miflaw anymore.

Is mumsnetting addictive? It horrifies me how much I miss the laptop when something goes wrong. It horrifies me. I have to talk to myself and get focussed to not mind it? Or is that just me?

And computer games? The only one I ever got into was tetris, and I was glued to that. Glued. Antisocially glued.

Do you know the one factor that has reduced smoking in the UK? Not the ban, not the campaigns, not the health risks, but the price. Obviously it would be appallingly unfair to the rest of the population if alcohol was suddenly made very expensive, but wouldn't it hypothetically be helpful to us?

MIFLAW · 15/12/2010 12:17

People die in AA - yes they do.

And it is because they drink.

Let's be honest, a lot of the people in AA could drink a bottle of spirits and then spend the afternoon up a step ladder. While I know it happens, I do not think that many of them die from a one-off lapse caused by thinking they are powerless. When this happens, it is normally that the drink causes them to make a poor decision and they get stabbed, hit by a car, sleep on the streets in sub-zero temperatures, or OD on something else.

The majority die because they drink shit loads and then do it again and again and no one can find the right words to stop them. Whether that makes them powerless or not, I don't know. I do know that Joe died last year. He was 40. He came to AA often but never quite "got" it, so the powerless thing would be, at best, an excuse for him rather than a deep-seated belief. He died just the same.

Fortheverylasttime · 15/12/2010 12:18

Vulnerable but not powerless. I will shut up now. Smile

MIFLAW · 15/12/2010 12:19

Yes, okay, let's drop it.

Fortheverylasttime · 15/12/2010 12:23

And it was me that said vulnerable, I think Miflaw was deliberately copying what I had said. Blame me for the vulnerable.

jesusthisstableiscrowded · 15/12/2010 12:31

FOR FUCKS SAKE GIVE IT A FUCKING REST!!!

HAVE YOU NOT BEEN LISTENING?

there are a few 'vulnerable' people on here today!, how about trying to support them instead of showing how fucking clever you are!!

rubyredlips · 15/12/2010 12:37

Hello
(get's on the bus slowly)
Is it ok if I join you? I've not messaged on this thread before but have read a lot of it so have been lurking for some time.

desiretochange · 15/12/2010 12:38

Phewwww JWN was beginning to think I was on my own here :)

TheMousefaceBeforeChristMouse · 15/12/2010 12:43

Hello Ruby Xmas Smile

Welcome to the bus Ruby. Take a seat. I'm Mouse. Lovely to meet you.

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rubyredlips · 15/12/2010 12:46

Hi Mouse.

Thanks very much

I did wonder whether to post at this time due to the conversations that have been going on but I know it's not usually like that so decided to give it a go Xmas Smile

TheMousefaceBeforeChristMouse · 15/12/2010 12:46

I'm feeling really vunerable today.

JWN - how's DH?

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desiretochange · 15/12/2010 12:47

Ruby, welcome to the bus:)

TheMousefaceBeforeChristMouse · 15/12/2010 12:47

Good for you Ruby - I'm glad that you can see through the last few posts.

So, how can we help? Do you want to chat? There are a few of us around at the moment. Xmas Smile

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desiretochange · 15/12/2010 12:48

Ruby hope I didn't put you off joining the thread Blush
Mouse, any idea why you are feeling vulnerable today, is it because you drank last night?

jesusthisstableiscrowded · 15/12/2010 12:50

hello ruby! Xmas Smile, nice to meet you!

as you can see, we have just had a little spat!, dont worry about it, it happens sometimes!

anyway - im right nosy!, can you tell us anything about yourself?, have you got dcs?, are you one of the 'young babes' or in the same camp as me? Xmas Grin

btw, im 48 tomorrow!, i just thought i would drop that in ever so casual like! Xmas Grin

rubyredlips · 15/12/2010 12:51

Hi Desire

Mouse - sorry you are feeling vulnerable today, you have had a tough time and the HCP yesterday was completely out of order IMO.

I wanted some support to try to 'manage' the drinking. I feel as though I'm on a personal journey trying to find myself. It's difficult to explain but I've realised that I use alcohol a lot of the time to self medicate or mask my anxieties

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