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[PseudoBadger]

So many possibilities.... A visit from the Titcheners Snr? Baby of the wrong gender? A ruined wedding? Re-housed Grundys? RuthRex?

"Any normal teenage boy would have left the cereal on the kitchen table with a little puddle of milk"

Only putting the box back in the cupboard when it was empty.

Another speeding incident coming?

oh no!

..oh Pat!
no! not the Mike story!

Another "Fuck Off" directed at the radio round here when Knob said he couldn't be so hypocritical as to attend the wedding. He's clearly telling Hellin that if she does she is being hypocritical. Vomit.

How many times have I said I don't think I can go on listening much like longer?

Well there we are. Now Helen's stuck in the house/reliant on family for lifts she'll be even more isolated. Didn't think much of Pat's reaction to the accident. Stop asking pointless questions and go and pick her up for goodness sake.

(There was no "like" in that sentence. I didn't like it at all.)

What on earth has happened to pat?

I really don't think I can take more of these personality transplants. Why the hell would Pat think that Helen is suddenly unable to drive when she got through her entire pregnancy with Henry driving merrily the whole time?

As I was listening I suddenly thought, he's not even going to have to bother to go to the effort of stopping her driving, is he? That IDIOT is going to do it for him.

It's just all so easy for him. It's getting ridiculous.

they have forgotten who pat is. Piss poor

Ridiculous.

Not happy with Pat 's character transplant at all. Maybe Tony will say something.

Like 'where's my wife? Who are you? Call the police, my wife has been replaced by a step ford wife!!'

Knob is going to find oh so many reasons why he can't take Helen anywhere (including Ian's wedding) and why it would be so inconsiderate to ask her family to give her a lift. This is getting so difficult to listen to.

Clearly aliens landed on Lakey Hill some months ago and took the real Pat away, leaving this malfunctioning roboPat behind. It's not the real Pat, that's for sure.

The whole Pat, Helen, Knob fiasco tonight got me. Up to now the behaviour was realistic, now it is just stupid. What the bloody hell has happened to Pat anyway?

Is it seriously conceivable that nobody in Hellin's immediate family has noticed what a terrified, appeasing shadow of herself she's turned into? It's so bloody obvious, but apparently...nope. Her own mother FFS.

The thing is. They'd pretty much given up hope of any man being able to stand Helen for more than six minutes without running away, blocking her number and blowing his head off. So when Pat meets someone who apoears to actually like her daughter - well, it seems to have melted her brain ...

And obviously he primed Pat during the rescue mission so he didn't have to utter the fatal sentence himself.

Unless Kirsty busts her out of the bathroom window it's highly unlikely Helen will need her wedding hat.

I didn't put that well. What I mean is - if Helen had a history of strong, successful relationships Pat would probably be able to discern something different in this one. But she has no model to follow, possibly she might put any change in Helen down to shock at arriving at a happy ending.

It's grim though.

It's quite realistic and well done and it does describe how men like this operate so it's good.

Very true, Gruach, but she's reverted SO suddenly from the 'la la la, I'm so happy, aren't I lucky to have such a wonderful man' to her present state of grovelling panic at the slightest thing - and when she's not in that mode, just generally being incredibly withdrawn and preoccupied - it's very striking. I'd have expected her own family to remark on it. But of course, as we know, nobody has conversations or gossips, it appears.

How can knob refuse to go to the wedding on moral grounds when he had an affair with Helen whilst still with his wife? Or should I say why didn't she point this out to him? Or am I missing something?

Have the script writers all been replaced by Men's Rights Activists? It is International Men's Day, after all...........