New kitchen diner extension incoming help me

[mojojojoo]

What do we need ? Moved into a 100 year old house with a kitchen that was last updated in what looks like the 70’s so as you can imagine I’m dreaming about our new kitchen !

Do I want an island or peninsular ?
Tiles or upstands ?
What about those cupboards with the shelves that kind of slide out to save you digging around for stuff ?

We’re going to have those black crittal style doors, what kind of floors are best ?

The current kitchen will be turned into a utility and where the downstairs toilet is that area will become a downstairs toilet/shower room.

Any tips welcome 😊

Sorry my really shit drawing is not to scale

I would recommend pan drawers, yes to the cupboards with the shelves that pull out. Pull out larder cupboard if possible. If you want an island I would make sure you have enough room you ideally need between 3 and 4 feet clearance around it. We have a peninsula and I love it. Ours is an open plan kitchen diner and it created a natural separation between the kitchen area and dining area

The kitchen will be going on the right of the drawing, so the same side the kitchen is currently on. Yes dh measured and there is 3 metres worth of walking space inbetween the worktops (the red line is u shaped kitchen)

What’s happening with the 2 dining rooms in the current layout? At the moment, it does look a little like a box shoved on the end of your house - have you had an architect look at it?

The architect is coming out this Saturday to start the plans.
So the dining room on the very left is a playroom which we are keeping, the smaller dining room will become part of the new space, so the back wall knocked through into the new extension and will be the main entrance into the kitchen. No idea what we will do with that space though as it’s obviously narrower than the extension

Do you want an island? I think it would work well in the space. But do you want it with a hob? I think is would look good, my friend has an island and say to keep it as a clear work top.

we are renovating ours soon so have had some ideas. Where are the doors and windows? Crittal doors are internal I think so what are the external doors.

what other furniture do you want? Sofa, tv or just dining table - how big? Sideboards?

also what style contemporary or classic (shaker or farmhouse)

in terms of my must haves
larder cabinet with kettle toaster etc
Pull out full height larder (wire)
drawers for crockery with an internal drawer form cutlery
a french fridge freezer pantry style with ice

I would definitely have those Magic Corner slide out shelves fitted into corner cupboards, and think about the doors for the corner cupboards.

I have moved into a house with three corner cupboards which have no internal fittings and stupid doors where there is a handle on only one of them and you have to open both doors in a particular order to get into the cupboard. Drives me nuts!

Bin cupboard
tall cupboard for your vacuum, ironing board etc (unless they’re going in the utility).
pan drawers
if you have an oven at eye level, get one with the door that folds under. Mine doesn’t and I struggle to reach into it.
we have a corner larder which I will never stop loving. It’s compact but provides a huge amount of space that’s hidden away.
we have a peninsular rather than island and it’s suits us very well.

we've got a Victorian terrace and went for a shaker style kitchen with industrial style lighting and handles etc. it keeps the traditional look while not looking too twee. And I don’t think it will date very quickly.

I like the idea of this shaped kitchen

Dh wats a small sort of sofa/tv area and we will definitely need a small dining table somewhere

I’m struggling between a peninsula and island. With a peninsula it would have to be a u shaped kitchen but with an island we could do an L shape.

our house was built in circa 1924, has stained glass windows and lots of Edwardian features which I love so I definitely want to keep in style with that but with a modern twist on it

What is the green space off the existing kitchen? Could you get rid of that and incorporate it into the hall, so there’d be more “flow” front to back?

Is the utility room going to have access off the kitchen or off the hallway? And will it have direct access to outside?

I think you mean the pantry in the current kitchen? I love that and that will be part of the new utility (current kitchen) for my cleaning stuff 😆

It’ll be accessed off the small dining room space that’s already there, which I guess will become some what of a hallway/entrance area to the new extension.
the back door in current kitchen will be staying but Incorporated into the new toilet/shower room

Don’t know if this helps but this is the view from the hallway into the smaller dining room, to the right is the pantry space in the current kitchen (excuse the mess we’ve only been here a few months and so much to do)

That space from your old dining room could become a walk in pantry. Lots of storage means less units needed elsewhere. I like to keep overhead units to as few as possible.
Don't forget a pull out bin unit and a hob wiith no extractor overhead ..can't remember the exact name.
One other point..we hsve a new kitchen , dining area and we have lots of windows and a patio door and this Summer we were scorched with the heat even though we love all the light.
We do have remote control blinds which l would recommend if you have lots of glass.

That’s a great idea ! We would need this space to enter the new kitchen though so would have to think of a way to use the space for both…
Dh is an aircon engineer luckily and in a west facing garden that’s such a bonus !

We have just had our kitchen redone and I will go against the grain here by saying I ditched our pull out larder unit - because of the internals it limits the amount of space and it was a nightmare to keep clean. We went for double unit/door larder with shelves and I love it! We also went for another slimmer tall unit that we use as a broom cupboard but if you have a utility you probably won't need that.

We didn't have the right space for it but when looking we saw some corner larder units with internal shelves and drawers which looked amazing, and had a nice traditional feel to them.
I spent quite a while on pintrest, looking at pictures design/style wise - and also spent quite a while in showrooms looking at different internals etc before we started designing.

Just as an aside, my DD has done a big conversion and it included a playroom. In reality, the kids still want to be in the kitchen and the playroom is just a dumping ground for their toys!

We’ve just had ours done with an island, I’d definitely recommend having the hob in the island so when you’re cooking you’re not facing the wall . I have a large corner larder and a double butler unit for storage and 2 pull out cupboards either side of the fridge for cans and jars etc .
I absolutely love it . Oh and a wine/beer fridge if you can fit it in .
if you’d like pictures I can send some later 😊

Aside from all the kitchen cooking/prep area, I'd recommend you set aside a separate spot for "admin" - bills, library books, pens, shopping lists, batteries, keys, etc. Like a desk or a section of worktop /shelves away from the food.

This stuff always ends up in the kitchen and it's a real pain when it gets muddled up with the cooking.

That is going to be a great space. We did a kitchen dinning room extension of 45.5sq metres and it’s a perfect size for us. You will be able to have snug area too.

Definitely don't keep the playroom separate, the whole point is one big squarish space for your kitchen diner.

Remember that the current rooms will lose their windows and be ~10 metres from the outside, having anything closed off will make them horribly dark.

I'd actually recommend reconfiguring your utility & downstairs bathroom to be in the deepest, darkest central bits of the house, across the furthest forward part of playroom and furthest forward part of current kitchen. They don't need light.

Then all the space you have allocated to them can be knocked into a nicer kitchen diner.

I think you haven't thought this through at all yet OP.

How does the house flow? how do you use the space and how to people circulate around it? what do you want to achieve, other than a new bigger kitchen?

how will you get light into the dining room/playroom?
'the architect is coming at the weekend to start plans' - what does this mean? Have you had 3-5 architects out to discuss concepts and what they would propose, then choose who you are using? If so they will do a measure survey and work remotely.

forget about what type of of draws you spec. Start with the big picture and work down to the detail, which will come much later on.

Also - if the house is 100 years old, is it listed or in a conservation area? If so you may be restricted on what you can do anyway.

Edited to add, where are the neighbours? You are increasing the footprint a lot. will this impact them? for this size you will probably need full PP too.

The idea is to put some large double doors on the playroom so it can be opened up into the kitchen diner, I definitely want to be able to close it off as I can’t stand looking at the clutter ! We’re using the architect we used for our last house kitchen/diner extension so we’re happy with him as worked with him before 😊