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teacher wanting to film lessons?

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RedBugMug · 08/03/2017 18:45

apparently there have been complaints about teacher, teacher has filmed a few lessons. parents were not informed. is that ok?

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SookiesSocks · 08/03/2017 18:47

I sign a form every September stating i agree/disagree for my children to be photographed or filmed at school to use for school purposes.

bloodyteenagers · 08/03/2017 18:49

Consent would have been given at the end of the year. However from experience parents don't read all the paperwork and just sign everything.
If they sought person every time a picture or video was taken it could potentially be on a daily basis.

bloodyteenagers · 08/03/2017 18:49

Permission every time not perso

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RedBugMug · 08/03/2017 18:50

we signed a form as well, but that's for publication/exhibition of photos I think.
I guess a video potentially being used as evidence doesn't sit right with me.

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Gileswithachainsaw · 08/03/2017 18:51

The forms giving Consent for photos and filming are all given out every September.

If you signed it then why would they need to say anything else.

Any children not permitted to be photographed shouldn't be on shot but this form is signed annually not every time they do it

SookiesSocks · 08/03/2017 18:53

I guess a video potentially being used as evidence doesn't sit right with me.

Why?

Gileswithachainsaw · 08/03/2017 18:54

Evidence of what?

Probably just used for training purposes and to show parents what kids have been up to

bojorojo · 08/03/2017 19:05

How can a teacher film and teach at the same time? Total nonsense I'm afraid! Any decent Head would be monitoring the teaching in the school and offer support and guidance to the teacher.

A teacher should not do this. I think it is very odd. Are you all going to be summoned to see the film - with the crap teaching edited out? I would refer this to the Head, permission signed or not. Also, this is not the spirit of the permission is it? It is not a picture for the newsletter or the local parish rag is it? Or even for the web site? It is for the bizarre purpose of a teacher either proving they cannot control or class or naming and shaming children. Complain - this is not professional.

leccybill · 08/03/2017 19:12

How can a teacher film and teach at the same time? Total nonsense I'm afraid!

I filmed my students this week, and I have in the past. They had been preparing a role play for a few lessons in small groups to perform and be evaluated by the rest of the class. I used a school ipad to film. So, not nonsense really.

Gileswithachainsaw · 08/03/2017 19:12

Maybe the TA filmed it?

The kids were filmmakers it themselves?

Doing presentations or pitching inventions/ideas as part of a lesson?

Films/slide show fir an assembly

angeldelightedme · 08/03/2017 19:15

I think it would be a great idea for showing parents what their little darlings get up to.
If the parents are objecting then that's very telling.They know and don't care!
What do you mean how can they film and teach? Never heard of a tripod?

bloodyteenagers · 08/03/2017 19:23

How can a teacher film and teach?

Erm these things called stands. You mount the camera check everything is clear, hit record and start teaching. Depending on the lesson you use more than one camera. Some video cameras also come with remotes.
Then there's iPads. Awesome mount that motion tracks. Main speaker where a device linked to the iPad that improves sound, it also acts as a control so you can pause.

There's millions of legit reasons why videos are sometimes taken of classes.

bloodyteenagers · 08/03/2017 19:24

I really don't know what's going on lately with my spelling/grammar

Main speaker wears a device

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RedBugMug · 08/03/2017 19:24

it was filmed with a smart phone (teachers phone) on a stative.
filming role play/presentation I don't have a problem with.
sorry for drip feeding.

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SookiesSocks · 08/03/2017 19:26

You still have not said why it bothers you?

mrz · 08/03/2017 20:20

It's quite common for teachers to film lessons or to be filmed teaching.

RebelRogue · 08/03/2017 20:38

As evidence of what?

Feenie · 08/03/2017 20:51

Loads of things. Usually professional development purposes.

jamdonut · 08/03/2017 21:26

Evidence that learning has taken place, if it is not being recorded in books.
We videoed the kids explaining what they had discovered about different materials, the other day.

Sometimes the teacher does it, sometimes I do it. Occasionally the children do it. We use the class tablet, or cameras with video facility.
We don't photograph or video children whose parents have not given permission, which can be tricky sometimes, but the children know who they are and stay out of the way , anyway.

We usually playback video taken, for the children to see.Discussion usually follows.

RamsayBoltonsConscience · 08/03/2017 21:33

It is a fairly standard method for reviewing teaching practice. We had a system in my last school where I would set up two static cameras, one on me and the wider class and one on a group of children that I wanted to observe during the lesson. Afterwards, I would review the video, identify things I wanted to improve/ thought were good, check out the specific children's learning behaviour and decide on a course of action. After 30 days the videos were automatically wiped. No-one else saw it unless I wanted to share it with s colleague. It is a very powerful tool.

Karlakitten1 · 08/03/2017 21:35

Not abnormal, it might be part of a course to improve teaching, thet might be evaluating their teaching. Could be for evidence; there are lots of reasons, none of them require any further permission with the form being signed at the start of the year about permission for photos etc. It probably wont be shared with anyone,and if it is they will most likely be looking at the teacher.

Karlakitten1 · 08/03/2017 21:38

Bojo...you clearly have no idea about teaching and it's people like you that cause problems in a schools villifying teachers and being unsupportive.

unfortunateevents · 08/03/2017 22:41

What subject? Role play/presentation sounds like the teacher may use it to play back and critique different groups/individuals so they can improve. I wouldn't go in all guns blazing until you have a bit more information.

Catherinebee85 · 08/03/2017 22:44

I'm not understanding why it would be a problem regardless...

bojorojo · 08/03/2017 23:05

I am a school governor and have been for years. Before that I worked in education management for 20 years. I am well aware of what teaching entails. I think the op's comments are suggesting something different from cpd or performance management.

The clear implication is that the teacher filmed on an iPhone. It was to counter parents' assertions of poor teaching. I think 'vilifying' is somewhat over the top for a difference of opinion on how an iPhone should be used in a classroom.

I am wholly supportive of professional teachers, and I am well versed in high expectations of classroom management. At our school, the Head would deal with complaints such as this from parents but it would not involve the teacher filming themselves as evidence, as appears to be the case here. If there is an issue with quality of teaching, it is for the Head to observe the teaching and for help and support to be given. I have not been aware of a teacher filming themselves but I am aware evidence can be gathered by filming, but we do not do it. How would the film be used to address the concerns of the parents?

I am hugely supportive of teachers but I do understand the difference between the normal reasons filming takes place and what appears to be ad hoc filming to address parental concerns. If this was authorised by the Head or the mentor of the teacher, it would have been done by another member of staff and not the teacher on an iPhone. This would not be condoned at our school.

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