UKIP. I'm voting for them. This is why;

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UKIP want us out of the EU, I love Europe can't stand the EU.We pay 40 million a day to them
1)72% of our laws are now made in Brussells, from fuel taxes, farming,fishing and immigration.
2)We pay £40 million a day to be in the EU.
3)The Two richest countries in Europe-Norway and Switzerland are not even in the EU.
4)Under labour we now have 3.5 million extra people living in this country. We need proper border controls. Nick Cleggs policy is to count people in and out of the country, and force them to work in 'regions' totally unworkable. UKIP would keep our proud tradition of helping genuine asylum seekers.
5)UKIP does not appear to be anti-christian as do the other parties. The labour parties spin doctor Alistair Campbell said they "don't do God!" I do.
6)UKIP believes in holding referendums for the electorate on key local and international issues. I like this.
7)Crime is now out of contol, UKIP would build more prisons. Last but not least, Lord Pearson (leader) is 'posh' and does not try to hide it.

I think we know Zeph.

DP has already proven that cliche to be right earlier on in the thread. Weird but true.

I'm loving the whole tantrummy

I SAID THIS. I AM RIGHT. IT'S PROOF NOW. ON MN. SO THERE. I AM NAPOLEON NOBODY CAN PROVE I'M NOT

frothy mouth thing.

Can I just point out, lincstash, that it's "you're" and not 'your'.

ITS 'YOU'RE'

retract my post or else what exactly?

Or else you're a poo-pants, suntangirl, and lincstash is the cyber-king of his bedroom.

zaph - beats me too. and why they also go on about gay men kissing -as if you even see that in public that often (not that it offends me in the slightest) i don't think i've even see guys holding hands this year

By Lulumaam Fri 23-Apr-10 19:27:45
just becasue it is not the norm , does not = wrong

should women and men who are not fertile be deemed abnormal and lesser people too?

i don't think that being able to procreate is a good and accurate measure for being a valuable member of the human race

plenty of people procreate and go on to harm/abuse/murder their children

so just being able to procreate does not define normal or acceptable or desirable 2"

1. Another suntangirl. quote my post where isaid it was wrong. i never used those words, ever. Stop putting words in my mouth and then trying to score points off the lie.

1. Neither do I, there are many ways the value of a human can be measured. But as far as procreation goes, homosexuality is abnormal.

1. Indeed they do. But that nothing to do with homosexuality being abnormal from a procreational POV.

1. Incorrect. a) Promulgating the species can only be achieved by heterosexual sex, therefor homosexuality is abnormal, as its not possible to make another human that way. b) No one mention acceptability or desirability, apart from the procreational point of view, in context of which is enough peopel turn homosexual, the birth rate drops below the death rate and we vanish.

think my posts have been logical, it's just there is no logical in knee jerk reactions to soemthing different/rarer being icky.

I'm getting a bit worried about your blood pressure, lincstash. Have you had it checked recently?

um you seem to be a bit selective! that griffin numpty is so concerned by the population of the uk that he wants to cap immigration forthwith

anyway i digress - i am accusing you of believing being gay is wrong. ok if you want to get pedantic then i believe that you beleive its wrong. whatever - i still think that.

but really you two - procreation isn't the only purpose of sex you know ;-) or are you a bit puritanical that way?

It's super that you don't think homosexuality is wrong, lincs. We're all very pleased.

It does make this paragraph from one of your earlier posts rather puzzling:

"Another inroad, but far less, is the normalistion of homosexuality that has been perpetrated on us, mainly by the homosexual dominated TV industry. I believe in freedom of choice, and if you want to go shagging the same sex, then fine, but do it in the privacy of your own home. I dont want it shoved in my face on TV, thank you. Neither do i want my grandkids told its normal, because i'd like great grandkids as well."

If it's not wrong, why don't you want it seen on TV. Does it give you funny feelings?

@ Lulumaam

btw, congrat on being the only person to attempt to make a reasoned argument back. You just rose several levels above the rest of the cack here who are just posting crap and in one case, lies (suntangirl)

i've not put words into your mouth, i have read your posts and taken what i think you might mean from them and reflected that back to you and you disagree with my interpretation

it's called having a debate

it is not just about I SHOUT LOUDER SO I WIN

i am not a liar

@ ZephirineDrouhin

I dont want to watch it on TV.

Neither do i want to watch horse trials, ballet or pandas wanking each other. My choice.

Feel free to watch the pandas if that rocks your boat, though, Zeph.

well if none of this matters why are you shouting at your computer then?

thing is lincs, tomorrow i will prob still be around, debating about breastfeeding or cloth nappies or whatever - at least i am a proper mumsnet member. i expect you have other trolling duties.

i doubt you've converted a single genuine mumsnetter to the balls that you spout though

go ahead, you win if you like - but i'm not sure its much of a victory is it?

but you just said

"1. Another suntangirl. quote my post where isaid it was wrong. i never used those words, ever. Stop putting words in my mouth and then trying to score points off the lie."

and now i am not another suntangirl??

which is it?

I am a liar point scoring off the lies i have put in your mouth, or not?

I think you'll find it's you who is posting crap, lincstash!

The rest of us are just here laughing at you.

"By BecauseImWorthIt Fri 23-Apr-10 19:36:24
I'm getting a bit worried about your blood pressure, lincstash. Have you had it checked recently?"

last month, 125/65.

back later, food time...............

Well, if you just mean it's 'not the norm' then I'm sure we can all agree on that. Just like redheads, or people born in July, or grandfathers who post on mothers' forums.

So you'll be arguing that redheads should only be redheads in the privacy of their own homes, yes?

if it's a throwaway forum why do you care so much?

i dont think i have once ever used this abbreviation but......

pmsl!!!

Interesting, lincs. So you feel the same way about gay sex as you do about horse trials and pandas. That's good to know. So why were you so upset about the gay thing? Or did I miss the posts in which you repeatedly shouted

PANDAS ARE ABNORMAL

(which they are of course)

Enough of this idle banter. Justine's on Radio 4 in 10 mins everyone.