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Heres what a hung Parliament will do

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lincstash · 18/04/2010 09:42

WE have been there before, with both Wilson and Heath.

No one can rule with a minority government. Its an abortion. Nothing radical, nothing decisive can get passed into law. Nothing gets decided, no real advancement can be made, everything is fudge and a compromise.

IF we get a hung parliament, Labour will retain power (as the incumbent governments right to), completely unable to do anything decisive about the economy, and eventually, after being defeated in multiple votes government will collapse with a year, and another election will ensue. You only need a major bill such as the Finance Bill to get destroyed by the opposition, and thats thats.

Meanwhile, the militant left wing unions (UNITE and GMB) will set about ejecting Labours Blairites and Brownites from the party , (as they have promised they can and will), and whilst labour struggles along in the minority in westminster, civil war will rip the party apart as the unions seize control and force the party back to socialist far left. Policy making and decision making will cease within the government

Meanwhile, the worlds financial markets will see the political chaos, pull the plug on our credit rating and that will be it, game set an match. The economy will collapse, and the World Bank will be forced to step in, as it did with the Wilson Government. We will then be a prime target for the EU vultures to take further control of us.

THis is not speculation, this is based on previous times in our history when we have been in this position. We are the 5th largest economy because we always have had majority governments. If you want examples of what happens to countries with minority rules, look at places like Italy, Argentina, Brazil. 3rd rate counties because they cant be ruled decisively.

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claig · 21/04/2010 12:43

animula,
"So the answer is to think v. carefully, and make sure one does what one can to prevent any of these ideas, or their modern counter-parts, gaining access to power"

agree entirely. That is why it is good to have open debate on MN and allow all points of view to be expressed. Whether we agree or disagree with certain views doesn't matter too much. It is important to hear different views in case we have overlooked something.

Fliight · 21/04/2010 12:45

DP's post of 12.30:58 is just revolting.

'Ooh don't be cross with me, please, I am so innocent really, you used to like me, you have changed'

I mean, spare me

LeninGrad · 21/04/2010 12:46

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animula · 21/04/2010 12:46

Third Way may well have been used by Mussolini, but there are only so many words in the English language. Third Way as used by Mr. Blair was adopted from Anthony Giddens. It does have a precise, and historically boundary-able meaning. though I do wonder if Mr. Blair actually read it.

Which is just to go back to the point about meanings and definitions. Historical origins are v. important but have to be balanced against present-day meaning. both are important. In fact, both are vital, balanced against each other.

to go back to that book, I don't see the second part of that balance in operation.

i genuinely have to go now. Just saying that, so you don't think I'm huffing off.

LeninGrad · 21/04/2010 12:46

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Fliight · 21/04/2010 12:47

Lenin I've had the same post before, fwiw

almost word for word iirc

but you're not falling for the crap anyway.

DP you really disgust me.

animula · 21/04/2010 12:47

Claig - yes, completely agree.

Really, really have to go.

animula · 21/04/2010 12:49

Though I draw the line at masochistic trolling.

daftpunk · 21/04/2010 12:50

Fliight....I don't even know who you are...so how could I have given you the cyber push..?

claig · 21/04/2010 12:52

animula, thanks. I have enjoyed our discussion. I agree Goldberg is over-egging the pudding. I still think it is an interesting perspective. We disagree, but do so amicably

noddyholder · 21/04/2010 12:52

I would like to applaud you flight for your honesty.DP you should take on that one sentence 'You really disgust me'It sums up in 4 words everything that the rest of us have wasted many words trying to say

animula · 21/04/2010 12:56

i HAVE to go - but HAVE to say this ...

Look, the thing about this masochistic trolling is that it is b**y selfish.

A troll of this persuasion is effectively doing some sort of wanking - dressed up as political opinion. It's not. It;s some sort of weird emotional glopping, seeking a response, that produces another round of glopping.

That kind of onanism is ... just that - onanistic BUT because it's conducted in a public place, it means other people have to waste their good and precious time contradicting it - otherwise it stands there - unchallenged.

So it's a kind of theft. As well as adding to speech acts of vileness. And disturbing.

Just quit it, OK. It's actually the equivalent of public masturbation/flashing.

AitchTwoZone · 21/04/2010 13:00

completely agree. it's no better than people who pull those 'oh i feel so DOWN i'm thinking of committing suicide' attention-seeking threads. clearly their need for attention outweighs any sense of taste or humanity.

Fliight · 21/04/2010 13:00

Thanks Noddy. And now she's denying ever speaking to me on here before...which is horseshit. Our many conversations in chat are sadly unavailable to link, or I would prove it instantly.

Same old tired lines over and over again...'I don't know who you are'. FGS

daftpunk · 21/04/2010 13:02

fliight...I swear I can't remember a single conversation I have had with you....were you chatting to me in a different name..?

claig · 21/04/2010 13:07

found an interesting article about Mussolinl's Third Way and Blair and Clinton's Third Way and the similarities between Blair and Mussolini, by a biographer of Mussolini in the Independent

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/a-chip-off-the-old-block-541735.html

Fliight · 21/04/2010 13:08

Jumente

and apparently I was 'in love with you'.

policywonk · 21/04/2010 13:09

'BUT because it's conducted in a public place, it means other people have to waste their good and precious time contradicting it - otherwise it stands there - unchallenged.' - YES, this is exactly the problem. Especially given the lurker:poster ratio on MN. I feel (self-importantly) compelled to contradict/argue against certain viewpoints on here, just because I'm aware that there might be 100s of people reading the thread, saying 'Immigrant lizards are teaching our children to be gay? But how did I not know this?'

daftpunk · 21/04/2010 13:10

O.M.G.....lolololol

Fliight · 21/04/2010 13:11

mind you I've done a super job of avoiding you since then.

I can't find the really long conversation we had under my usual name. That was what I was referring to to Lenin.

daftpunk · 21/04/2010 13:13

Well that wasn't fair was it...I remember you as Jumente...

daftpunk · 21/04/2010 13:14

How am I supposed to remember you if you keep namechanging..?.......what is your usual name..?

ahundredtimes · 21/04/2010 13:22

Come one DP. Cough it up. You know you do this deliberately to wind people up.

Then you do the oooh I'm not so educated line. Or the 'I'll ask lots of questions now to make this okay' thing.

The whole thing is - quite cleverly actually - couched in terms of you needing to be educated, and being a bit artless. Meanwhile, I imagine you are lololing about it all?

daftpunk · 21/04/2010 13:46

100X

I think people need to focus their attention away from me, because while people are wasting time worrying about me saying not very much at all, people like CF are posting things like " all right-wingers are Gay child abusers".....if I had posted something like that I would have been jumped on by 10 people..

from what I've seen recently, I'm the least of MN worries...

LeninGrad · 21/04/2010 13:51

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