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Heres what a hung Parliament will do

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lincstash · 18/04/2010 09:42

WE have been there before, with both Wilson and Heath.

No one can rule with a minority government. Its an abortion. Nothing radical, nothing decisive can get passed into law. Nothing gets decided, no real advancement can be made, everything is fudge and a compromise.

IF we get a hung parliament, Labour will retain power (as the incumbent governments right to), completely unable to do anything decisive about the economy, and eventually, after being defeated in multiple votes government will collapse with a year, and another election will ensue. You only need a major bill such as the Finance Bill to get destroyed by the opposition, and thats thats.

Meanwhile, the militant left wing unions (UNITE and GMB) will set about ejecting Labours Blairites and Brownites from the party , (as they have promised they can and will), and whilst labour struggles along in the minority in westminster, civil war will rip the party apart as the unions seize control and force the party back to socialist far left. Policy making and decision making will cease within the government

Meanwhile, the worlds financial markets will see the political chaos, pull the plug on our credit rating and that will be it, game set an match. The economy will collapse, and the World Bank will be forced to step in, as it did with the Wilson Government. We will then be a prime target for the EU vultures to take further control of us.

THis is not speculation, this is based on previous times in our history when we have been in this position. We are the 5th largest economy because we always have had majority governments. If you want examples of what happens to countries with minority rules, look at places like Italy, Argentina, Brazil. 3rd rate counties because they cant be ruled decisively.

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TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 21/04/2010 10:48

DP, it just slightly surprises me that you say you 'have no problem with homosexuals', when it's one of the rerasons you've repeatedly given for voting BNP.

LeninGrad · 21/04/2010 10:51

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AitchTwoZone · 21/04/2010 10:55

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animula · 21/04/2010 10:57

I actually can't get beyond the first couple of paragraphs - but it's reconnecting me with something I often feel when I encounter a Nick Cohen article. It's sort of a vague wondering : "Nick Cohen - why?" and is a musing on the existence both of him, generally, and the presence of his "thinking" in written form.

H. G. Wells as the foremost proponent of a left-wing fascism? Says it all, really. y,y I know he was at the forefront of the invention of SF, and for that we have much to thank him (really) and was involved with the League of NAtions. But intellectual? Hmmm. If that's the best he can rustle up - hmmm again.

There were LOADS of wacky thoughts around at that time, and you just have to take them with a large pinch of historical salt. You CANNOT build a thesis out of it. Or you can, but you need to do it scrupulously, and with care. For example, you have to included W. B. Yeats and his (slightly fascist) mingling of magic and elitism and nationalism - the serious plan he had for a government of Ireland, run by magicians, from a tower.

As for Heidegger's overthrowing of "traditional values of truth" etc -- erm, didn't that all start with Protestantism and the Enlightenment? And yes, H's political choices were bad ("unfortunate" as one person once said,) and they are quite interwoven in his political theory, though not in an obvious way - but to sum all that up as lefties taking him up because he thinks through the loss of absolute value is to absolutely get wrong the roots of the problems.

Which gets us back to the main point. There will be overlaps between fascism, socialism, liberalism because they share the same roots, the same problems, and, sometimes, the same historical present^.

Aaagh! If anyone is tempted to read this book, I urge you to read around it, widely, from credible sources.

daftpunk · 21/04/2010 11:01

There was a thread started ages ago by a poster..the thread was titled.."why are all christians pale and boring".....or words to that effect...

Hmmmm.....did you call that poster a troll aitch..?

animula · 21/04/2010 11:01

Sorry - that last bit was wrong:

NC says lefties take up Heidi becasue he abandons "traditional" values (implying that lefties like Heidi because he condones homosexuality and taking a mistress and spitting in the street, or something).

Lefties read Heidi, generally, because absolute truth and value have been in free fall since the Enlightenment, at least. And the rise of the right to read the Bible and interpret it yourself. allegedly. And Heidi offers (one, possible, ) path of thinking through the implications of that.

That NC article is really, really annoying.

animula · 21/04/2010 11:05

I've come to the conclusion that certain types of trolling are an attention-seeking thing, based in a weird masochism.

I find it upsetting, and don't want to feed something I think would be dealt with better through some form of therapy.

I think the behaviour (of this certain troll-y type person) is getting worse, and I don't like the way it spreads the pain. 'Tis not funny.

Just imo.

AitchTwoZone · 21/04/2010 11:05

really? you can't hack being called a crummy little troll, dp? or your behaviour loathsome?

yet you repeatedly insult leningrad and any other lesbians on these boards or in our lives? i'm embarrassed for you.

LeninGrad · 21/04/2010 11:09

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Fliight · 21/04/2010 11:10

I liked your post, Aitch, and I'm sorry it got deleted...I also thought it was true.

Fliight · 21/04/2010 11:11

and I am also fairly in awe of Lenin's equanimity.

daftpunk · 21/04/2010 11:11

You need to calm down aitch...I just said homosexuals should be allowed to live peaceful happy lives...or did you choose to ignore that bit..?

LeninGrad · 21/04/2010 11:13

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Fliight · 21/04/2010 11:13

...as long as they give you a wide berth, naturally.

Fliight · 21/04/2010 11:13

@dp)

sarah293 · 21/04/2010 11:14

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daftpunk · 21/04/2010 11:23

LG;

I think MN is brilliant, they allow different opinions to be aired, political debate is not censored, right-wingers meet up with left-wingers...it's a good mix, sometimes sparkes fly and messages get deleted, but you will get that on threads discussing politics....it's all healthy imo.

I am very sorry if me TD comment upset you,..
It's nothing personal...

Fliight · 21/04/2010 11:24

Nothing personal doesn't cut it.

AitchTwoZone · 21/04/2010 11:26

i'm perfectly calm, dp, but thank you for your concern.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 21/04/2010 11:26

Actually, I had a briliant idea in the shower this morning (do my best thinking naked, dontcha know).

All this politics stuff, while fun, is getting my blood pressure up way too much on occasion.

So every time I read another ignorant rant about immigration, I'm going to make a donation to our local refugee support charity...and relax.

I think, in DP's honour, I'll extend that to homophobia and Stonewall, though hopefully that won't be coming up as often in the election campaign.
Ooh, only £10 for the 'Some people are gay- get over it!' T-shirt? Anyone know when DP's birthday is?

sarah293 · 21/04/2010 11:30

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daftpunk · 21/04/2010 11:33

Aitch;

I'm willing to forget everything that has been said on here, if we meet up on another thread it would be nice if we could just talk normally.....life's too short & all that

I'm not a troll, I just have a few strong opinions.....I will take anything you want to throw at me, you know that, & I will always try and explain things..(if I can)...

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 21/04/2010 11:36

As it happens, Riven, I haven't seen any rants about the disabled... think I heard 2nd hand about one, but it wasn't on a thread I was following (and I think maybe the thread got pulled?)
But good point none the less.

claig · 21/04/2010 11:39

animula,
I don't think HG Wells is as nice as he is made out to be. As far as I can see, he was a racist eugenicist who didn't believe in democracy. It's worth looking more closely into HG Wells, because there are still powerful people who believe in his ideas.

Read some of his disgusting racist thoughts in wikipedia in the Sourced section.
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/H._G._Wells

Michael Coren has an Independent newspaper article about a biography that he wrote about Wells, which is eye-opening.
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/and-the-inferior-swarms-will-have-to-die-1476156.html

John Carey, the Oxford English professor and former guest on BBC2's Newsnight Review, has written a book about many intellectuals, HG Wells being one, who despised ordinary people, and a quote from an Editorial Review on Publisher's Weeekly says

"H. G. Wells proposed measures to restrict parenthood as a means to curb the "black and brown races" whom he considered inferior to whites."

Carey's book is at this link
www.amazon.com/Intellectuals-Masses-Prejudice-Intelligentsia-1880-1939/dp/0897335074

sarah293 · 21/04/2010 11:41

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