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Greens adopt policy treating Zionism as racism

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Twiglets1 · 04/10/2026 15:46

The Greens have formally adopted a policy which equates Zionism with racism, a move that will dismay the bulk of the party’s MPs and has alarmed some Jewish members.

In a vote on Sunday at the party’s annual conference in Brighton about whether to back a motion which calls for Zionism, the movement for a Jewish state, to be “treated as any other form of racism”, it passed by 1,022 votes to 813.

The motion, which is now formal policy for the Greens in England and Wales, also calls for a single Palestinian state in place of Israel “with equal rights for all”.

Four of the party’s five MPs have condemned the motion, as did Caroline Lucas, the former leader who was the Greens’ first MP.

Adrian Ramsay, who co-led the Greens before Polanski, said in a statement he would vote against it, as it set out what sort of Palestinian state should exist without taking into account the self-determination of Israelis and Palestinians.

Siân Berry, another of the MPs, made the same point.

Carla Denyer, the Bristol Central MP who was co-leader with Ramsay, said the wording “risks alienating a significant proportion of Jewish people, including those who vehemently disagree with the Israeli government”.

Another Green MP, Ellie Chowns, said the motion “risks fuelling division, and risks undermining the party’s ability to advocate effectively for justice and peace”.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/oct/04/green-party-votes-adopt-policy-zionism-racism

Green party votes to adopt policy that equates Zionism with racism

Motion that has alarmed some Jewish members is passed by 1,022 votes to 813 at party’s annual conference in Brighton

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/oct/04/green-party-votes-adopt-policy-zionism-racism

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Nottodaythen · Yesterday 10:47

AgeingMillennial · Yesterday 10:42

I’m not complaining about Ireland, I’m complaining about the hardcore antisemitism coming from Ireland. Surely, given the context of the thread, that much is obvious?

Kneecap, who you referenced, are in Northern Ireland, not Ireland.

quantumbutterfly · Yesterday 10:48

WinterGold · Yesterday 09:53

My pet gate is the argument about Israel being founded on white European settler migration.

If migration and settlement requires an indigenous connection, then the modern non-indigenous Muslim immigration to Britain clearly fails that test.

And if seeking refuge and migrating across borders is a universal right, then Jewish refugees returning to their ancestral homeland had every right to do so. You can't enforce an 'indigenous-only' standard for Israel while supporting open migration everywhere else.

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There is a lot more sympathy for the 'send them all home' narrative than you would expect in a group that usually supports open borders.

AgeingMillennial · Yesterday 10:48

Nottodaythen · Yesterday 10:47

Kneecap, who you referenced, are in Northern Ireland, not Ireland.

RTE, who I just linked to, are an Irish newspaper, and Kneecap identify as Irish.

toastcrusts · Yesterday 10:50

WinterGold · Yesterday 10:05

I saw a really good quote recently - I can’t remember it word for word, but it pointed out that both Germany and Japan got a major kicking in WW2, but they don’t feel the need to keep repeatedly attacking other nations as a result.

Just look at the Jewish people! How many times have they been genocided, enslaved, and ethnically cleansed throughout history? How many innocent civilians are they endlessly terrorising in response? The obsessive bloodlust and revenge fantasies against the Jewish people are psychotic.

Nottodaythen · Yesterday 10:51

AgeingMillennial · Yesterday 10:44

https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2026/0810/1587210-ireland-palestine-care-sympathy-conflict-links-survey-international/

’We as Irish know what it is like to be taken over and dominated by a bigger nation," wrote one respondent. "It’s the same kind of colonisation Ireland experienced in the 17th century," wrote another. A third: "The Irish, because of their history, share common cause with the oppressed."

Yes, it’s to do with history for Ireland, as the article says. Nobody is claiming to be experiencing the same conditions presently, as you suggested they did.

toastcrusts · Yesterday 10:53

quantumbutterfly · Yesterday 10:48

There is a lot more sympathy for the 'send them all home' narrative than you would expect in a group that usually supports open borders.

The Prada brand ambassador Saint Levant publicly praised the pogrom in Amsterdam and said 'it's not the first time they came to a land that wasn't theirs and started trouble.' The irony...

Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 10:54

ScarlettOYara · Yesterday 10:45

Yes, they target Pride and object to rainbow flags.

Oh the rainbow flags are definitely an issue

Since we started to see more of those starting during lockdown I know parents with certain ideology that ban their kids from having anything with a rainbow on. Basically the LGBTQ community have ruined the joy rainbows from millions of children whose parents won't let them enjoy them.

A friend that I walk with told me off once for wearing a rainbow striped jumper whilst we go walking. She was worried people in her community would think I as a lesbian, therefore she was too. I worn that particularly jumper ever single time we went walking after that!⁹

AgeingMillennial · Yesterday 10:57

Nottodaythen · Yesterday 10:51

Yes, it’s to do with history for Ireland, as the article says. Nobody is claiming to be experiencing the same conditions presently, as you suggested they did.

I didn’t say that. I said they’ve been saying they know what it’s like for Palestinians. Which is what they are saying from their quotes.

Please don’t be overly sensitive and accept this straightforward criticism of some of your countrymen. Ireland isn’t too special for criticism, nor are its people.

ScarlettOYara · Yesterday 10:58

Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 10:54

Oh the rainbow flags are definitely an issue

Since we started to see more of those starting during lockdown I know parents with certain ideology that ban their kids from having anything with a rainbow on. Basically the LGBTQ community have ruined the joy rainbows from millions of children whose parents won't let them enjoy them.

A friend that I walk with told me off once for wearing a rainbow striped jumper whilst we go walking. She was worried people in her community would think I as a lesbian, therefore she was too. I worn that particularly jumper ever single time we went walking after that!⁹

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So intolerant. Some students objected to the Pride flags being displayed at our school. They were very voluble in their disgust.

LadyBlueberry · Yesterday 10:59

Twiglets1 · 04/10/2026 17:29

Oh sorry! Yes 4 out of 5 did vote against it. They were Adrian Ramsay, Siân Berry, Carla Denyer & Ellie Chowns.

That means Hannah must have voted in favour of it!

If you have a look at how she campaigned in Gorton and her subsequent social media videos, this can hardly be a surprise.

AgeingMillennial · Yesterday 10:59

@WinterGold Germany and Japan were Axis powers Confused why would they be overly defensive after losing a fight they started? Not the same at all. Are you aware of the basic facts of WW2?

Nottodaythen · Yesterday 11:01

AgeingMillennial · Yesterday 10:48

RTE, who I just linked to, are an Irish newspaper, and Kneecap identify as Irish.

Because they are Irish. But they live in NI, part of the UK.
RTE is a public service broadcaster in ROI.

There’s a big difference between NI and Ireland (ROI), but people on MN conflate them all the time. Very exasperating.

AgeingMillennial · Yesterday 11:04

Nottodaythen · Yesterday 11:01

Because they are Irish. But they live in NI, part of the UK.
RTE is a public service broadcaster in ROI.

There’s a big difference between NI and Ireland (ROI), but people on MN conflate them all the time. Very exasperating.

So you’re arguing Kneecap’s views come from a place of Britishness and their UK background..? That seems nonsensical to me.

LadyBlueberry · Yesterday 11:06

5MinuteArgument · 05/10/2026 21:46

Totally agree. Also what the fuck have Gaza and Trans got to do with being green, really? It used to be about planting trees, community allotments, looking after nature etc.

It's like a virus, spreading like a cancer.

Some insects, lie the Emerald Cockroach Wasp who take over cockroaches as their host, look for weak hosts.

That's just one example of dangerous parasites in nature who destroy a host in order to further their own species.

Humans do this too, in a more metaphorical sense and the Green Party is a dire warning of what can happen when an official body becomes a host.

The Green Party is being eaten alive but all we hear from it is the occasional dying bleat as they succumb.

Nottodaythen · Yesterday 11:12

AgeingMillennial · Yesterday 11:04

So you’re arguing Kneecap’s views come from a place of Britishness and their UK background..? That seems nonsensical to me.

I’m not arguing that.
I’m saying their views are a product of their upbringing in NI.
Being brought up in NI during the Troubles was very different to being brought up in Ireland.
It’s not the same. That’s what I’m saying.

AgeingMillennial · Yesterday 11:22

Nottodaythen · Yesterday 11:12

I’m not arguing that.
I’m saying their views are a product of their upbringing in NI.
Being brought up in NI during the Troubles was very different to being brought up in Ireland.
It’s not the same. That’s what I’m saying.

But it’s also very different to the experience of Palestinians.

It makes the same sense as me drawing parallels with them because we suffered a prolonged aerial bombing campaign in the Blitz.

Aka none. There’s a few very broad similar facts but otherwise completely different.

I do think Ireland has become a little smug in assuming it’s always ‘on the right side of history’. You are, until you’re not. I admire their stance on lots of things, but this isn’t one of them.

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 11:22

Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 09:44

No those bloody sneaky Jews just tunnelled underneath the beloved mosque and built a temple

I kid you not there are people where I live that I know personally who I could easily convince this explanation is true

Sometimes I just wind people up a bit for my own amusement before informing them of the facts. It does help them to realise just how gullible they have been, which is half the battle when fighting so much propaganda. People don't like being told they are wrong or gullible so you have to show them sometimes. A little mean but often necessary.

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Just preface your tunnelling Jews with ‘The (Hamas-run) Health Ministry reports…’ and it would be a definite fact.

AgeingMillennial · Yesterday 11:23

toastcrusts · Yesterday 10:50

Just look at the Jewish people! How many times have they been genocided, enslaved, and ethnically cleansed throughout history? How many innocent civilians are they endlessly terrorising in response? The obsessive bloodlust and revenge fantasies against the Jewish people are psychotic.

This; and pointing at GERMANY as an example of ‘not reacting’ when THEY perpetrated the Holocaust agains Jews is fucking deplorable!!

Plus they had their army removed and were neutered until very recently, so hardly ‘not reacting’ out of choice were they??

Basic history wouldn’t go amiss here

ScarlettOYara · Yesterday 11:27

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 11:22

Just preface your tunnelling Jews with ‘The (Hamas-run) Health Ministry reports…’ and it would be a definite fact.

Put that on a banner and some clueless idiot will wave it on the next hate march.

Neverstopwondering · Yesterday 11:32

ScarlettOYara · Yesterday 11:27

Put that on a banner and some clueless idiot will wave it on the next hate march.

Add an AI photo of it happening and it will make be used by certain politicians and certain national media as a serious debate point

(We have seen them do this before a few times now)

Nottodaythen · Yesterday 11:33

AgeingMillennial · Yesterday 11:22

But it’s also very different to the experience of Palestinians.

It makes the same sense as me drawing parallels with them because we suffered a prolonged aerial bombing campaign in the Blitz.

Aka none. There’s a few very broad similar facts but otherwise completely different.

I do think Ireland has become a little smug in assuming it’s always ‘on the right side of history’. You are, until you’re not. I admire their stance on lots of things, but this isn’t one of them.

I’m not sure re NI, but in Ireland it’s not the Troubles that are being referenced when people speak of sympathy or empathy, it’s the older history of oppression.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 11:34

LadyBlueberry · Yesterday 11:06

Some insects, lie the Emerald Cockroach Wasp who take over cockroaches as their host, look for weak hosts.

That's just one example of dangerous parasites in nature who destroy a host in order to further their own species.

Humans do this too, in a more metaphorical sense and the Green Party is a dire warning of what can happen when an official body becomes a host.

The Green Party is being eaten alive but all we hear from it is the occasional dying bleat as they succumb.

Very evocative!

quantumbutterfly · Yesterday 11:41

toastcrusts · Yesterday 10:53

The Prada brand ambassador Saint Levant publicly praised the pogrom in Amsterdam and said 'it's not the first time they came to a land that wasn't theirs and started trouble.' The irony...

I was thinking more hypocrisy.

quantumbutterfly · Yesterday 11:45

LadyBlueberry · Yesterday 11:06

Some insects, lie the Emerald Cockroach Wasp who take over cockroaches as their host, look for weak hosts.

That's just one example of dangerous parasites in nature who destroy a host in order to further their own species.

Humans do this too, in a more metaphorical sense and the Green Party is a dire warning of what can happen when an official body becomes a host.

The Green Party is being eaten alive but all we hear from it is the occasional dying bleat as they succumb.

Darwinism in action. That's the bit that worries me most.

inamarina · Yesterday 11:46

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 11:34

Very evocative!

Gad Saad uses a very similar metaphor for his concept of ‘suicidal empathy’.

He talks about how a hairworm parasite hijacks the brain of a wood cricket, forcing it to jump into water and drown itself to complete the parasite's life cycle.