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Stripped and dinning.

138 replies

Seymour5 · 18/07/2026 22:35

It's not a stripped shirt FGS, it's a striped shirt. It's not a dinning table either, it's a dining table.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/07/2026 11:22

KrazyKatty · 24/07/2026 11:16

I don’t understand this at all. How do you say llama and Starmer? They sound identical to me. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Clearly you don't pronounce the letter r. Many of us do. For us Starmer sounds like Star Myrrh, not Stahma.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/07/2026 11:24

moltopianissimo · 24/07/2026 10:39

I grew up in Scotland and I don't have a clue what other pronunciation of "why" you mean.

(It doesn't really help if you write, "I say why," because I just hear that in my own accent where it sounds identical to the letter 'y'!)

Could you spell it phonetically?

Hwy. Not Wye.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/07/2026 11:26

VividDeer · 24/07/2026 09:46

Describing someone as past away seems more common than passed

Saying died or dead avoids that problem and is also more direct.

HauntedBungalow · 24/07/2026 11:37

Or snufed it.

moltopianissimo · 24/07/2026 12:06

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/07/2026 11:22

Clearly you don't pronounce the letter r. Many of us do. For us Starmer sounds like Star Myrrh, not Stahma.

People haven't really got the hang of this phonetic lark, have they?!

Starmer sounds like Star Myrrh in English RP accent as well - because we also pronounce 'star' and 'myrrh' differently!

moltopianissimo · 24/07/2026 12:07

HauntedBungalow · 24/07/2026 11:37

Or snufed it.

Snufed?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/07/2026 12:20

moltopianissimo · 24/07/2026 12:06

People haven't really got the hang of this phonetic lark, have they?!

Starmer sounds like Star Myrrh in English RP accent as well - because we also pronounce 'star' and 'myrrh' differently!

I have got the hang of it. What I hoped was that people who don't pronounce the letter r would make the effort to imagine what it would sound like if they did. Unless they wander through life without ever registering what makes other accents different they should surely be able to do this.

RaraRachael · 24/07/2026 12:50

Some people seem to struggle with the concept that not everyone pronounces words the same way.

notatinydancer · 24/07/2026 12:52

Seymour5 · 24/07/2026 07:59

Lama. Rhymes with drama. Llama has no R sound in it.

StaRmeR. First syllable pronounced as it’s spelt, ‘star’, second pronounced ‘mer’ not ‘ma’.

I’d say drama. Drar mer 😂
and lar mer

CountryGirlInTheCity · 24/07/2026 12:54

MyGhastIsFlabbered · 19/07/2026 07:36

People who pronounce texts with 2 syllables’text-es’

I wonder if it’s the same people who can’t formulate the past tense of ‘to text’??

It’s ‘Yesterday I texted my friend’ not ‘Yesterday I text my friend’

Seymour5 · 24/07/2026 13:56

moltopianissimo · 24/07/2026 10:39

I grew up in Scotland and I don't have a clue what other pronunciation of "why" you mean.

(It doesn't really help if you write, "I say why," because I just hear that in my own accent where it sounds identical to the letter 'y'!)

Could you spell it phonetically?

Do wear and where sound the same to you? Or witch and which; wail and whale; wine and whine? I pronounce the ‘wh’ differently with my fairly standard Scottish accent to how the rest of my family, brought up in England, say it. Most of us from Scotland and Ireland use the breathy ‘hw’ sound rather than ‘w’.

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singthing · 24/07/2026 13:57

RudePhthaloDalmadoodle · 24/07/2026 09:40

Some people on Mumsnet unfortunately pour scorn on anything outside the experience of Little Englanders. There's tediously regular miff about "Americanisms" like gotten, high school, Santa Claus, elevator, lawyer, etc. - all long standing uses in Scotland. And do not get anyone started on "can I get...?" - we're all apparently supposed to start saying "may I have...?" like we're Captain Peacock or something.

Accents vary, and rhoticity makes a huge difference. Of course it's Starmer not Stahma, and Mariana not Marryarrrner (you're not a pirate!) My sister's English husband STILL calls her Neener, which sounds like a fire engine, but we accept that that's how he speaks and it's natural to him. It would be good if that level of respect could be reciprocated.

My brain substituted Captain Peacock with Captain Pugwash and I spent a good few minutes confusedly trying to think if the latter had ever really been that closely associated with being well-spoken.

LovageSage · 24/07/2026 14:40

moltopianissimo · 24/07/2026 10:39

I grew up in Scotland and I don't have a clue what other pronunciation of "why" you mean.

(It doesn't really help if you write, "I say why," because I just hear that in my own accent where it sounds identical to the letter 'y'!)

Could you spell it phonetically?

This might help perhaps:
https://forvo.com/word/why/

In the sound files linked above, the fourth British speaker pronounces why like the letter Y, to my ear at least. The Australian male speaker also says it like Y.
There’s a h sound at the start of the word when many of the other speakers pronounce why.

RitaIncognita · 24/07/2026 14:54

Seymour5 · 24/07/2026 06:04

Me too. Scot here, I say why, not wye, and I pronounce ‘r’ so llama doesn’t rhyme with Starmer for me either. Saw and sore don’t sound alike for me either. It’s not annoying in everyday speech, we all have accents, but irritating when part of a quiz that is broadcast across the UK.

Edited

Same for me. I have a rhotic accent so llama and Starmer don't rhyme. I also pronounce wine and whine differently (and "wye" and why). The wine-whine merger is not universal in English.

RitaIncognita · 24/07/2026 15:02

There's tediously regular miff about "Americanisms" like gotten, high school, Santa Claus, elevator, lawyer, etc. - all long standing uses in Scotland.

In fact, the term "high school" that is used almost universally in the US for secondary school came directly from Scotland. The first school to call itself a high school was (and is) the Royal High School in Edinburgh. An early school in the US was modeled on the Royal High School and the name spread.

KrazyKatty · 24/07/2026 15:11

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/07/2026 11:22

Clearly you don't pronounce the letter r. Many of us do. For us Starmer sounds like Star Myrrh, not Stahma.

No, I do pronounce the R.

However, I say lar-mer not La-ma.

Just asked Scottish DH to say them and he says La-ma. 🤣

I pronounce Bath without an R.

moltopianissimo · 24/07/2026 15:18

Seymour5 · 24/07/2026 13:56

Do wear and where sound the same to you? Or witch and which; wail and whale; wine and whine? I pronounce the ‘wh’ differently with my fairly standard Scottish accent to how the rest of my family, brought up in England, say it. Most of us from Scotland and Ireland use the breathy ‘hw’ sound rather than ‘w’.

Yes, I say them all same, but I understand exactly what you mean now. I checked with my sister and my brother-in-law (from just outside Glasgow) doesn't pronounce the 'h' in those words.

LovageSage · 24/07/2026 15:22

KrazyKatty · 24/07/2026 15:11

No, I do pronounce the R.

However, I say lar-mer not La-ma.

Just asked Scottish DH to say them and he says La-ma. 🤣

I pronounce Bath without an R.

Edited

A phonetic spelling of llama as lar-mer usually indicates a non-rhotic accent though?🤔
So does putting an r in Bath to indicate a particular pronunciation of the vowel.

The person in the link below has a non-rhotic accent, so isn’t pronouncing the r’s in Starmer. Those with rhotic accents do pronounce those r’s. For example, most Scottish and Irish accents do.
forvo.com/word/keir_starmer/

(I have an Irish accent and I say la-ma too.)

LovageSage · 24/07/2026 15:37

The above is a long-winded way of saying I agree with pp @KrazyKatty…I think you have a non-rhotic accent and you’re not pronouncing the r’s in Starmer.

Llama doesn’t have an r, not a real one at least 😉

Ved · 24/07/2026 18:30

I've just seen 'rediculous' and 'I'm at my whitts end' on a thread. 😖

PleasantPedant · 24/07/2026 23:54

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/07/2026 11:24

Hwy. Not Wye.

Sort of like wye and high said at the same time.
The mouth is in the right shape for W but you also make a h sound.

It tends to get represented as Hw, which I can't get my head (or mouth) round.Confused

upinaballoon · 25/07/2026 10:18

catpupjoy · 24/07/2026 09:12

Ooh or ect instead of etc

A person once asked on here or Mumsnet chat, about etc and ect. It was a person who was learning English as a second or third language and had noticed this.
There were several replies to say that it's et cetera in full. I try to type it out in full now, not only on MN but in other places, too. I do it in the hope that someone else will notice and cotton on to why the three letters should be etc..
In the last line should I have put a full stop after the one to show that etc. is an abbreviation?
I remember learning a few abbreviations in my last year in primary school in the 1950s. If the teacher told us about q.e.d., I forgot it for a few years, but I remembered et cetera.

upinaballoon · 25/07/2026 10:28

ImogenBrocklehurst · 23/07/2026 22:14

”glade” instead of glad seems to appearing frequently.

And “prolly” instead of probably, both spoken and written.

And inserting “of” in between the adjective and the noun eg “I’m not that bad of a person” or “not that good of a driver”.

Instructions on Superdrug Foot Socks:- 'Discard of used socks in the bin. Do not flush.'

No, 'Discard used socks in the bin.' is fine.

I like, you know, really do think that this one is like, an Americanism that's come over.

ImogenBrocklehurst · 25/07/2026 15:13

Oh, don’t get me started on “like” 🤬

hyggetyggedotorg · 25/07/2026 15:28

BeanNaGealai · 23/07/2026 18:03

Not in Hiberno English it's not. There are many variants of English. British English is only one of them.

There is no “British English”. There’s just English & then variations of it.

In any case, there are four countries in Great Britain. A person in Scotland, for example, may use a different word for something than I would in England. Which one would you say is speaking “British English”?