If you have a spare half hour, come here and listen to what the establishment don't want you to know.. proof that death is not the end.

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You need to go to this page and scroll down to the four You Tube boxes showing a man called Michael Roll, and listen to them/watch them one after the other. Listen to it all.. it's seriously food for though even for the biggest sceptic. And if you are a sceptic, ask yourself why you are.

seminars.torontoghosts.org/blog/index.php/2007/05/

Not putting this in the reliogion/spiritual section because it has little to do with religion (the conditional belief in life after death). The is about proven facts. And the establishment have apparently been trying to prevent this being common knowledge for a great many year because it turns science on its head.. and that would cost money.

Have a listen. Would be interested in your views.

It backs up a LOT of what I have read in the past.

Make sure you look at the right bit.. it says... 05/28/07
12:48:06 am, by Sue , 130 words
Categories: Ghosts & Hauntings
The Scientific and Rationalist Case for Life After Death... at the top and then four You Tube Windows.

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It's not spooky MellowMa, not at all. It's about fact. Facts that have been around a long time apparently but which (for instance) Einstein's theory of relativity went a long way to "disprove" and so actual laws were created to make the publicising of these facts (on radio and tv) illegal - something which a great many people are now working to change.

It's incredible.. it was illegal for tv shows to be aired "disproving" mediums, but illegal for a scientist to go on tv and put the other side forward using maths and experimental proof. In in the UK where we have "freedom of speech"!

(sorry.. legal for tv shows "dissproving" mediums..)

I am open to reasonable arguments with proof, but really haven't got opportunity to watch this at the moment. I am sceptical as so far i haven't seen any proof whatsoever for myself, btw. Other people saying they have seen/heard proof doesn't count as i can't verify it.

Save the page to your favourites Godzilla then sit down and watch it later. It's worth it I promise.

i am as sceptical as they come. will check this out later cause am off to watch the match an a little while

i do sort of belive his views, more food for thought though, interesting stuff

Have put this thread on watch, but tbh i think there isn't likely to be a good time later when i can watch it...neighbour doing DIY until 5.30 atm, dtds playing noisily, and baby to keep an eye on - any wonder i'm stressed! Also, i think dh would be hugely disapproving as he takes any slight interest in life-after-death as being a personal affront. Was hoping someone would post something to give me the general gist of it!!

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you can listen whilst doing other things on the computer you don't have to watch his face.

I know there's life after death as had much proof. I'm also sceptical about a lot of things to do with this as the mind is very powerful, you can imagine things, move objects even. But as I've had proof through personal experience and messages from mediums then I'm in the I believe camp.

Thanks for this Shiny will pass it on.

Your DH would hugely disapprove of you watching it Godzilla?! That would be like a red rag to a bull with me.. I will watch/read/research whatever I want to..(sorry if that sounds a bit confrontational! Not meant to be!)

Headphones?

SouthEast, thats not quite the same as what Roll is saying.. but v.interesting nonetheless. And yes does give the gist.

i'm going to watch the whole thing later. looks interesting

Yep. There are reasons behind his disapproval, so i don't tend to push it! I forgot about headphones, stupidly

Have just read the first one, but now getting a headache so have put it on faves and will get back to it.

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Oh this is nonsense! Of COURSE it isn't illegal to put superstition on the telly! Derek Accorah, anyone? Doris Stokes? Most Haunted?

ESP etc has been tested over and over again btw.

Those aren't people that are citing scientific research Aloha. They are "entertainment".

LOL MellowMa.. how would I know?

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And plus Derek Anorak got disproved by a programme i watched anyway.

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It's rubbish. There is no law about this. It's just made up.

The 'scientific establishment' does nothing BUT turn its own facts on their heads. That's what scientists do.

I don't think it's "made up" Aloha.. isn't it just that laws have been loosened? I will look into this..

I doubt Michael Roll is talking out of his backside on that..