If you have a spare half hour, come here and listen to what the establishment don't want you to know.. proof that death is not the end.

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You need to go to this page and scroll down to the four You Tube boxes showing a man called Michael Roll, and listen to them/watch them one after the other. Listen to it all.. it's seriously food for though even for the biggest sceptic. And if you are a sceptic, ask yourself why you are.

seminars.torontoghosts.org/blog/index.php/2007/05/

Not putting this in the reliogion/spiritual section because it has little to do with religion (the conditional belief in life after death). The is about proven facts. And the establishment have apparently been trying to prevent this being common knowledge for a great many year because it turns science on its head.. and that would cost money.

Have a listen. Would be interested in your views.

It backs up a LOT of what I have read in the past.

Make sure you look at the right bit.. it says... 05/28/07
12:48:06 am, by Sue , 130 words
Categories: Ghosts & Hauntings
The Scientific and Rationalist Case for Life After Death... at the top and then four You Tube Windows.

Shiny, why do you keep changing your name? I'm all confused ...

Well, I haven't watched the youtube vid so I can't comment on that. But surely the claim about the illegality of speaking up in defence of mediums is so obviously false that it discredits whatever else the video claims?

Not really. From what I can gather, there were (unclear if there still are) censures around scientific evidence of this kind being televised.

What he says is very interesting. I thought I would put it to Mumsnetters. Just didn't think that the fact that I had posted a lighthearted joke thread was relevant.

Desi, sorry. I'm generally of the ShinyHappy variety if that helps. I just had a Harry Potter name, likes lots of others.. then got rid of that to have a "going nuts" name for a bad day, and tonight someone called me ShinyHappySchmooo so thought I'd be that for a few days.

Sorry, Shiny. Didn't mean to offend. (Did originally think that this thread was a joke, but plainly it's not )

I didn't watch the whole set. The man was not engaging enough for me. My initial thoughts are concerned with conspiracy theories, a phenomena I've never had too much time for.

That said, I don't disbelieve, purely from a matter of self-preservation. It would seem a pretty pointless existence if there was, indeed, no point to it.

Shiny, if you're drawn to this area (and I know you are from posts you've made about your son), then I would gently prod you in the way of a man called Ouspensky. He wrote about esotericism in the early twentieth century, and it's some of the finest writing on the subject I've ever come across.

He starts from the premise that no all souls evolve. That in fact, very few of them do, and that it is just as possible for a soul to die then it is to live on.

BTW, I think that there are academic consensuses (sp?) in all subjects that have the weight of the establishment behind them, so that it's difficult to get funding/first-class honours, etc, if you challenge them. Intellectual trends are like oil-tankers -- they take a long time to turn around.

S'alright 6kok.. you didn't offend. No didn't post it as a joke though.. why shoulder there be life after death? At the very least I have always found it to be food for thought. I have never seen any reason to disregard something just because it is not an accepted norm.

Desi I will look him up. Thank you.

Did anyone see that article in the Daily Mail the other Saturday (I only buy it on a Sat before anyone start.. .. because I like Deborah Ross.. she has my odd sense of humour!) about "orbs".. those circular things that appear in photos so often? There is apparently a lot of new research "out there" about them. That was v.interesting too.

Shoulder! SHOULDER??! That should say shouldn't! Must go to bed!

Thanks, Shiny. The thread about reincarnation this evening is also food for thought.

There are a few of those in the spritual section. One old and much resurrected (no pun! ) one called Spirit Children is fascinating.

The Ouspensky book is called 'The New Model Of the Universe', shiny.

Believe me, you're ready for it.

I'm off to bed meself now, with my snorey, smelly, borrowed, King Charles Cavalier Spaniel.

Just where the feck is Nell Gwynn when you need her?

I ahvn't had time to watch or read it yet. but skimming the threads it has always seemed logical to me that we are just energy vibrating at different levels so an afterlife of some descriptionmad eup of energy vibrating at a different level seems perfectly logical. I will try to read/watch it later.

very very interesting and i can kind of go along with the idea that an afterlife is possible given the scientific explanation. however, he said he was on the radio every week and it was about to 'come out' - but this video seems to be recorded in 1994?! what happened?