MLM Bot Watch 38 - Large cheques are not forever

[Whiterangey]

I think the members of the Anti-MLM Coalition in the UK deserves to be recognised for the reduced cheques that have been received by the Forever Living bots in the UK.

They have worked tirelessly to spread the Anti-MLM message which seemed like a pointless battle when they started.

Yet here we are, the message is getting out there, and people are beginning to get the message.

People are listening. Ex-bots are telling their stories and encouraging others to leave or not to join MLM's.

You are all awesome and have worked so hard, you deserve so much respect for helping so many people.

To clarify I am not anti jewish. I am however anti arsehole!

@dora thank you!! Xx

I saw the meme Ravish mentions. As a Jewish woman myself I was pretty upset by it. It is that kind of thing that fuels prejudice and I was sad and a little bit shocked that it had been posted up. And dismayed.

@penelope I honestly dont understand what is anti semitic about it. It was a thought provoking theory regarding corruption it had nothing to do with being jewish!! If I believe someone to be corrupt its for that reason and has nothing to do with a religion. This thread isnt about government or rothschild corruption so I wont make a conversation out of it but its like saying im anti black people because I dont like the fact mugabe was an arsehole! Yes Im outspoken and i understand i will sometimes say controversial things but to suggest i am anti jewish or ruthless for having an opinion unrelated to someone race or religion does not make any sense to me. If uber bot was jewish would you guys be classed as anti semitic????

Natasha if you repost memes which are designed to foment ant semitism (there are many of these, referring to Rothschilds, banks, etc) then you are spreading insidious messages which do a lot of harm. You may personally not realise what the underlying message is, but it is propaganda

I've looked at @NatashaShingles facebook and can't see the meme in question.

I did however see the post regarding MLM's and the input from High Street Honey bot about how she is stuck leasing a Porsche for 3 years that she 'earned' on the Valentus car plan which they never ever gave her one single payment for.

I don't think enough people realise that when you lease a car when you receive a car plan from an MLM you are fully responsible for those payments if you no longer qualify or if the MLM goes down.

I got a car on car plan and after deciding to leave flp in january I made the choice to hand it back in april (voluntary repossession) if I hadn't it would've crippled me to keep up repayments

@whiterangey thank you for the explanation. I maybe controversial in my view that I form opinion on everything else other than religion or race. The anti mlm is a simple disliking of corruption, manipulative smoke and mirrors and greed. Thats simply my view on a global political scale. I despise these topics becoming an anti religion debate. If you read the post (its still there) I merely suggested its thought provoking after having a discussion the previous evening with my daughter. When I form an opinion on anything it has never been based on what religion someone is.

There was also nothing nasty in my comments..... a tad sarcastic maybe but far from nasty!

Sleaze's son has heart failure. He's early twenties I think, it's very sad and happened quite suddenly.

@NatashaShingles I'm still not seeing the meme, is it maybe friends only or something?

I can see the posts mentioning who I presume is your daughter and her new business but there isn't much else I can see as a non friend on your facebook so i'm going to guess it's friends only who can see that particular post.

Your daughters business looks fantastic, how brilliant for her to be going out and doing all of that.

@whiterangey ahh yes its friends only, and I'd better just state daughters business is NOT mlm related in any way (just incase!) Lol

@penelope

Because it peddles highly damaging tropes about Jewish people. The meme in question propagates an entirely false and untruthful view that the Jewish diaspora control money and finance as some kind of evil, corrupt and malevolent force for bad. Even the photo of Rothschild has him looking like a demented and grotesque figure of suspicion. This kind of anti-Jewish propaganda has been disseminated for decades, from the likes of the British Union of Fascists in the 1930's, right up to Alt-Right figures in the media today. The meme you posted sends out a clear and unequivocal message that Jewish people are not to be trusted and should be viewed as conniving and malign.

I'm surprised that you need this explaining to you, to be honest. If you need more information then the best I can suggest is that you simply begin by Googling "history of anti-jewish/antisemitic propaganda".

Sorry my last message should have been tagged for @NatashaShingles. Apologies.

@ravish fair point. I am still lost as to how I cant form an opinion on a subject without being branded anti semitic. However, I've now stated I'm not. Im far more simplistic than that. The religion aspect doesnt even come into it for me at all. So anyway, back to MLM, does this mean there will be no more talk about mormons in relation to mlm now? I would expect someones religion to be irrelevant of their character. I do hope no mormons took offence to the many posts on here regarding said discussions. Just a thought while we are all judging how sinister people can be under that "im here to do good" hat. It sounds a bit anti Mormon to me.

Disclaimer: Playing devils advocate here and this does not reflect my personal views on Mormons!!

Why doesn't Yawn just come out and tell everyone that she is absolutely desperate for people to sign up. I was under the impression that people are absolutely desperate to sign up for FL because it's so awesome.

Her posts reek of desperation. Spending 2 days and a lot of her own money to go start someones business in Norfolk, which from what I hear you have to be really brave to go to, and I don't think i'm brave enough.

In a totally non pyramid like FL, you rely on new recruits to keep the money flowing as turnover of FBO's is so high. Sounds like Yawn is having real problems recruiting.

She's tried her networkingmummies group for new victims, and has obviously exhausted that route so is left with begging on her facebook page.

@Whiterangey It was clever how Yawn said you just fill in a form to let them know who you are and where to pay you. It gives the impression you sit back and watch the money come rolling in!

Strange how we never really heard from her for over 24hrs when she was in Norfolk.

You never go 24hrs without a bot posting. Ever.

There should have been so many reasons to post ....beautiful suite in a mansion, amaaaazing hotel dinner/breakfast, using the gym at the hotel, the room buzzing with people for the presentation and so on but, no, not a dicky bird after Friday nights poor turnout.

Uber’s mindset guru definitely doesny dye his hair. Totally natural. Definitely.

Bullshit is definitely more apt.

Why all this next level shit and goal setting when she is on the way down?

This years cheque was almost a third of what it was 2 years ago. Why doesn't she just do whatever it was that she did 2 years ago?

2 years ago all FL bots had the winning formula, they were smashing their goals, they were making money and changing the lives of everyone on the planet. Surely just do what they did now.

I do wonder when they are going to get out, I know that a fair few of the high level bots have moved on to coaching, but there are so many mindset coaches that they can't be doing well financially as there are far too many to choose from.

Yawn is now not really relevant when it comes to FL. She is getting no love from the top and I doubt she will be invited to speak at anything big any time soon. She will need to do something soon just to put food on the table.

It is fascinating watching them fall from grace like this and act all desperate, it's funny and they deserve it. Their kids don't deserve it though and that really sucks, but it's the bots that put them in this position.

I notice in the 'it's so easy to get started. Just tell forever who you are and where to pay you post', the claim is made that once you have earnt back the cost of the starter pack everything else is profit because the mentoring etc is free. No mention of fuel to get to events, tickets for events, food and drink when meting new downline/at events, gifts for downline/up line etc. Being disingenuous or do bots genuinely not see those as costs that have to be taken from your turnover before you can say what your profit is?

Yawn, uber etc they all hate each other anyway. Most are two faced, I've heard many a drunken convo at the bar. So much back stabbing im surprised they dont leak when it rains!

She is getting no love from the top

...I would go further and say that I get the impression that she's actively disliked