Ladycare magnet for menopause symptoms

[sailorsgal]

I was reading about this the other day and wondered if anyone had tried it? Any good?

Some of the people on the tamoxifen thread may have tried it to counteract tamoxifen side effects - you could ask there...

Great thanks.

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yes i have and it works, ive posted here before but i think people think im a sales woman for ladycare but im not, ive been wearing it for nearly 2 years and get no hot flushes or night sweats, in fact i get no menopausal symptoms at all ( have had blood tests which confirmed im going through the menopause )
i read about it in a womans mag and was feeling so awfull with the flushes and night sweats that i thought i would give it a go, it worked more or less straight away and have had no problems since, in fact it has stopped all the bloating and lifted my mood, i did loose my first one on holiday and the sweats and flushes came back after a few days so i bought another one and have been wearing it ever since, i can honestly say it was the best 20 quid ive ever spent.

Boots have been told to remove it- or re-package it- was in news last week. Claims that it works have not been proven.

Its still on the boots website
www.boots.com/en/Ladycare-magnet_122270/
it has been proven to work, i proved it, as did my 2 sisters and all my mates plus thousands of other women, oh yes and the nurse at the surgery who takes my blood pressure, i dont care if anyone buys one or not, i thought i was doing people a favour but if they want to be a martyr and go on suffering when there is no need, then so be it, at least i get the last laugh ( and no hot flushes, night sweats, bloating etc )

blimey- you still sound a bit menopausal by that rant! :)

I can't lay my hands on the feature at the mo, but it was in The Times last week as news, saying Boots had to take it off the site, or change the claims.

I have no idea but am open minded.
But if it does work- why is it not available onthe NHS by prescription?

bitter you can't say something works just because it works anecdotally for you and your mates etc, LOL!
The only way to prove it is with a double-blind trial involving 1000s women.

For starters there is the placebo effect, and secondly you might not have any symptoms even if you ar going through the menopause- not all women do- and it could be sheer coincidence that your symptoms came back when you lost it.

it has been tested on thousands of women, and has helped thousands of women, its not the placebo effect, before i started wearing it i was getting about 15 - 20 hot flushes a day lasting about 5 - 10 mins and really bad sheet soaking night sweats, as soon as i started wearing it i noticed a difference, within a few days i has no night sweats or flushes, it took a couple of weeks for the bloating to go and lift my mood.
It wasnt coincidense when I lost it on holiday and my sweats and flushes came back within a few days, id been wearing it for about 9 months before that without any symptoms so they wouldnt come back for a week then go away again as soon as i bought another one and had no symptoms since, thats far too much of a coincidence, if i swallowed a pill i might think its the placebo effect but wearing a magnet in your pants that you dont even realise is there isnt the placebo effect.
I have had 3 blood tests all positive for menopause, in fact i am now in full menopause and still have no symptoms.
Its not available on the national health as its classed as an alternative therapy.
I hate the thought of taking HRT or any other stuff ( which i havnt even bother finding out about because my magnet works better and without any side effects )
i was very sceptical myself as im not one of these people who believe in the magical healing power of crystals or any of that crap but it really does genuinly work, read some of the stuff on the ladycare site.
www.ladycare-uk.com/ladycare-pr-28.html?osCsid=tf9797i5qa8i360037gch1cdh0
I do get annoyed that people wont take it seriously because it could be helping a lot more people, i dont know how it works but it does.

bitter if it works for you that is fine. but do you understand what a double-blind research trial is?

It means that say 1000 women stick the magnet in their knickers and 1000 stick a lump of plain metal there.
None of the women know which is the real thing.

Then they look at the results.

This eradicates any placeb effect.

You cannot prove that just because something works for you , then you have symptoms when you don't use it , then it works when you use it again- means a pill or whatever works.

Research actually shows that the placebo effect is evident in 30% of ALL drugs - even those on prescription.

I am pleased it works for you ( and i am a strong believer in whatever works, take it) but don't assume that it is always going to work for anyone- the placebo effect is very powerful. This is especially sowith somethinglike meno as a) hormones fluctuate daily and b) stress, aniety and emotion make symptoms worse.

My blood tests showed i was post meno once but I had no symptoms and went on to have another year of periods.

Whether or not it's been proven to work, if it's working for you, BSV, then carry on! (There's also no reason to dismiss the placebo effect - it's a very powerful thing, and if it reduces/removes symptoms, then great).

I'm more concerned about how you lost one - or where you lost it?!

For me, the thing that is working is Boots Menolieve tablets. Again, they may be acting as a placebo, as they started working from day one - but I don't care. I no longer have hot flushes at night waking me up.

... and I am reporting this one too

Oh dear. I just read the site that sells these. His only research seems to be a consumer survey which is definitely not scientific evidence. If you give 500 eager volunteers a magic charm or a bottle of special pink water - anything - and tell them it is for the treatment of menopausal symptoms, some of them will improve over the next few months (because these symptoms do improve, sooner or later) or some of them will believe they have. Because that is what happens if you do this kind of "research". It is not proper research. Money making scam until proven otherwise.

I have contacted the LadyCare helpline regarding this subject and this is the information they have supplied from Dr Nyjon Eccles BSc MBBS MRCP PhD. He is responsible for the LadyCare trials.

"The LadyCare device is effective in alleviated menopause symptoms in 70-75% of women who try it. The rapidity of relief in symptoms (within 24 hours in some cases) is unlikely to be explained in terms of changes in hormone levels. Several recent studies report that menopause symptoms can be explained by autonomic nervous system imbalance....there seeming to be an overactivity of the sympathetic nervous system activity (fight-flight symptoms, sweats etc) and a reduction in parasympathetic nervous system activity (rest, balance and repair). It is well published in medical/scientific journals that when estrogen falls at menopause that this leads to a sympathetic nervous system dominance. This is one of the logical explanations of how cardiovascular disease increases in woman after menopause and why estrogen may be protective pre-menopausally, due to this increased sympathetic nervous system stress on the heart. Research on LadyCare has shown that it reduces sympathetic nervous system activity and promotes parasympathetic nervous system activity in both menopausal and peri-menopausal woman. This is a logical explanation of the benefits observed with LadyCare without the need for a hormonal explanation. An important point is that whilst the LadyCare device seems to relieve symptoms by reducing the sympathetic nervous dominance associated with menopause and peri-menopause, there have been no reported side effects. One might expect that with this non-hormonal mechanism of action that the long term side effects that have been associated with HRT are also not likely to occur with the LadyCare device".

As you can see he does not claim it will help every user but it does have a high success rate and has been proven to work by rebalancing the autonomic nervous system, naturally.

pinkif you look at the dr's credentials, he appears to be working mainly in alternative medicine. This is fine. However, as the poster above says, itis not a scientific study and the placebo effect may be the real answer for improvement.

other main point- he is presumably employed and paid by the makers of the Magnet?

As is pinklemonade, I fear. This is his/her first/only post on MN.

By the way- if you google that dr's name- Dr Nyjon Eccles- heis coming up in a lot of articles about quackery and pseudo-scinece. Nuff said!

I've just come in on the subject. Quite frankly I don't know why some of the posters are giving this lady a hard time. We're all on here to help each other.

We all have different reactions to things and for some people they work for others they don't. Is it not true in orthodox medicine that the side effects that you experience from tablets you take may be different to the next person? There's always a list as long as your arm.

Also, there's a million and one health tips coming at us every week in the media - my mum reads the Daily Mail and tells me everything - it drives me crazy. You believe what you choose to believe.

This lady believes it because it works for her. I don't think there was any need to challenge her in this way. Sorry but I did feel sorry for her.

As for myself, I have tried magnets for muscular pain in the past and they haven't worked for me but obviously they work for others.

CHM - which lady do you think we're giving a hard time?

If it's pinklemonade, then I think there are good reasons for suspecting him/her of being here only to promote a specific product. Which isn't really allowed on MN.

If it's bittersweetvictory, then all that's happened is that other posters have pointed out that the results being claimed are anecdotal, rather than proven through clinical evidence.

That said - you're quite right - if something works for someone, then that is fine - for them.

If you goole that dr- you will see that he was also promoting magnetic band which were supposed to help.

The claim was passed ot he office of Fair Trading who rules that his research etc and claims were false.

Google shows up lots of articles about his so-called pseudo-scientific claims that magnets of all kinds can help all kinds of diseases and illnesses.

i have no axe to grind- it they help people by whatever means- great.

But don't make the mistake of posting a quote from a non-independent dr, who has vested interests and whose science is suspect.

I challenge anyone to actually say they understand his theory in the above quote, and tell me in layman's language how the magnets work!

why not just try it instead of arguing about it, its only 20 quid so if it doesnt work for you then fine but its still working for me, in fact i bought another one in case i lost the one im wearing, i dont know how it works, i tried it out of desperation because i couldnt handle the flushes and sweats and its the best thing i ever did, no more flushes or sweats without any drugs, i dont think its the placebo effect but even if it is i dont care as long as im flush free.

FYI - I am a woman, a human being with feelings and although i do not owe you anything i will offer a explanation as to why i have only made one post. I am new to this site so everyone has to start somewhere. As a successful Ladycare user i also wanted to be involved with this conversation and can relate to bittersweetvictory's comments. I agree that it is not in the mind when you see a significant physical change whilst using it and a return of symptoms when not. Yes Dr Eccles works in alternative medicines but is that not a good thing someone that can offer safe alternatives to drugs? He has proven Ladycare has an effect on autonomics so how is that placebo when there is physical evidence. Please note the statement by Dr Eccles in my previous post was supplied to me by ladycare.