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labour announce they will scrap tuition fees, can they? will it work?

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user1466690252 · 10/05/2017 15:27

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-scrap-tuition-fees-university-win-general-election-manifesto-2017-jeremy-corbyn-a7727951.html%3Famp

by increasing corporation tax, the say they can create a NES (national education service) this sounds too good to be true? If we are in as much debt as we are told we are how is there enough money for this? although, In theory, If it works than surely noone can disagree it would be a good thing?

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peppatax · 10/05/2017 15:30

Stupid idea. When CT gets jacked up then it just incentivises big business to exploit tax loopholes and/or move elsewhere

rumblingDMexploitingbstds · 10/05/2017 15:35

Ah. More sweeties today. and being utterly fucked tomorrow

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user1466690252 · 10/05/2017 15:36

I'll admit I'm a labour supporter, but I can't see how it will work, even if I want it to. we need to encourage businesses to stay here when we leave the EU. brexit changes everything I think. unfortunately, we need to make ourselves lucrative for businesses to stay.

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Redactio · 10/05/2017 15:42

Corporation tax is like loaves and fishes to the current Labour Party leadsership, they claim it's going to pay for everything and never run out.

ImperialBlether · 10/05/2017 15:45

They won't be able to do that. What about people who've already paid? They'd go crazy.

Kursk · 10/05/2017 15:49

I would support that if my outstanding balance was scrapped. The Student Loan Company is next to useless.

My loan has grown since I left university. I never expect to pay it off. Even if I wanted to it's so difficult to set up a payment from overseas.

ImperialBlether · 10/05/2017 15:56

But what if your parents had paid it at the time, Kursk? That's what would be so unfair.

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user1466690252 · 10/05/2017 15:59

I can't agree with the sentiments of not liking it because I had to pay mine. that's life unfortunatly those were the rules then and we agreed to the loan, I'm thinking about the future and my children.
I would rather them use the money they find by rasing corporation tax to sort out the current NHS, education and public services issues before they start something new though. however good in theory it sounds

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IllBeAtTheSpa · 10/05/2017 16:08

I'm a floating voter I really don't know how to vote this time. But I worry that labour are throwing all these amazing ideal promises at us and we've no way of paying for it... What if all this CT rises see business pull out of the UK is that possible?

NoLotteryWinYet · 10/05/2017 16:08

just like free school meals extension, scrapping tuition fees is again a subsidy to people that can get to university, overwhelmingly the middle classes. I'd rather they spent the money improving outcomes for people that have no hope of getting there by focusing on primary and secondary education.

NoLotteryWinYet · 10/05/2017 16:09

in Scotland, free tuition fees have a capped number of places, and that cap hasn't kept pace with the rise in applicants - because it's not really an affordable policy.

Min wage hikes, corporation tax hikes - at some point we'll end up with fewer firms and more unemployment.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 10/05/2017 16:10

It was Labour who introduced them!

GavelRavel · 10/05/2017 16:15

I'm self emoyed with 3 children. The proposed CT rise would got my company about 2-3000K a year. Scrapping tuition fees would safe me personally potentially 90K. It's a no brainer for me. I'd literally vote for any party, short of ukip, who pledged this. Not that I think they could really pull it off, but even reducing it or capping t would be a massive, massive incentive to me. I'm in.

Kursk · 10/05/2017 16:23

ImperialBlether

My father had a grant in the 70's

There is no real way of doing it fairly

GavelRavel · 10/05/2017 17:30

And my elder sibling got all.fees paid and a Maintenance grant and I had to take out full loans. I don't think you can really expect any of them to care or do anything retrospectively. That's why it's a good election bribe I suppose. God I hope one of them pulls it off.

EenyMeenyMo · 10/05/2017 17:36

i didn't agree with fees coming in so i would support them going.
May be easier to freeze them so that overtime they become small in real terms. I assume they'd be able to charge fees to EU students
Impact of zero fees in Scotland is interesting - i am not sure i support an infinite number of Uni places though...
am concerned that combination of Brexit and CT raises may be a disincentive for business.
I'd like to see the numbers though - i was more a fan of a graduate tax before when it was proposed.

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user1466690252 · 10/05/2017 17:54

brexit changes everything I feel. we do need business to stay and even come here. all the graduates in the uk mean nothing if there is not enough work for them here. I'm finding this election difficult because the uk after brexit is such an unknown. It is a great idea in theory, I hope they can back it up. I also think its a policy likely to make the under 25s go out and vote, which will swing in their favour, which leaves me a bit synical

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ImperialBlether · 10/05/2017 17:58

I had a grant in the 80s - full grant, no fees. Having said that only about 10% of teenagers went to university (I think) - it was Tony Blair who wanted 50% to go.

Sandsnake · 10/05/2017 18:07

Thing is even if JC did manage to raise the amount needed to scrap tuition fees from corporation tax (he wouldn't) that still doesn't make it the right thing to spend the money on. If there's money to be spent on education then the most progressive way to spend it is on early years / primary, where a) it has the most influence on children and b) it will reach all children, especially the most deprived.

As long as there are no barriers to access then I don't think there is a problem with tuition fees per se, although agree the current system needs substantial change.

OvariesForgotHerPassword · 10/05/2017 18:10

Scrap tuition fees for nursing, midwifery etc.

People doing creative etc degrees should pay.

NoLotteryWinYet · 10/05/2017 18:11

i agree sandsnake, this is a policy aimed at appealing to the middle class, not helping the most deprived. People feel free tuition fees are somehow helping the poorest - they don't, they get nowhere near university in general (*of course there are exceptions but not nearly enough).

nong45 · 10/05/2017 18:23

I read an article last week that said if the government scrapped tuition fees it wouldn't actually have much of an effect on the coffers. They have to pay the fees to universities up front and then look to get them back through the students loan co. Many graduates just never pay because they either go abroad or don't have jobs that pay enough. If fees were scrapped the govt would save on student loans co costs. It just seems like it was a decision made on the principle that it was only fair those graduates fortunate enough to get a well paid job or career out of their education should have to pay the costs back. The actual benefit to the public purse of charging tuition fees is virtually nil. So scrapping tuition fees won't actually cost the govnt much at all. It was something like that anyway, but seems fairly logical.

runloganrun101 · 10/05/2017 18:27

Scrap them for NHS careers but make students sign a 5-10 year contract that ties them to the NHS (otherwise they should be made to pay in full)?

peppatax · 10/05/2017 19:24

I think people are missing the point - scrapping tuition fees would not be a retrospective change in policy. Those with existing loans would still be liable. Going forward, it would mean tuition fees were not charged to those going to university in the future.

Are people genuinely expecting that they would write off all the loans when some people paid upfront or paid off their loans? Of course they won't!

NoLotteryWinYet · 10/05/2017 20:34

ah so not grandfatherered in, well that sucks. If I'm going for pie in the sky policies, let's absolve everyone. I wish Corbyn would do less, do something realistic he may actually achieve, and focus the money on people like those in my extended family with no backup and few good influences except their teachers.

This is merely a huge giveaway to middle class parents - I've got 2 DC, it'd save me a fortune. Is that right? People like my DC will go to university anyway and we'll pay, we can afford to pay and we'd planned to pay.