Becky Watts - The Verdicts are in

[Groovee]

Guilty to Murder for Matthews
Guilty to Manslaughter for Hoare

James Ireland and Donovan Demetrius were found not guilty.

Rest in Peace Becky!

[ApplePaltrow]

I think the porn link is ridiculous.

What about the parenting link? The mom hasn't even left the stepdad though they were both perfectly happy to bring this monster into her daughter's life. Their statement after the verdict was absolutely vile. They are apparently working hard to "repair their family" as they "know Becky would have wanted". A family so wonderful that the stepson killed his stepsister and nobody stepped in before it got that far.

[Helmetbymidnight]

What do you mean 'ridiculous'?

[Groovee]

Becky's stepmother has lost her son who has turned into a monster, the step daughter she brought up as her own as she had lived with her since she was 3, and her grandchildren! She has MS as well, her husband is the one steady thing she has in her life. They have lost a lot more than many of us will ever experience while being in the public spot life. They seem to be united in their grief of their huge loss as well as coming to terms with everything that has happened!

You can see the bump in the photo after the arrest in the full body one. I can't remember if it was 18 weeks at the time of the murder or at her arrest. But if she had gone on to have the twins they would have been born before the trial started.

Such a horrific case, and my heart goes out to them.

[Andrewofgg]

As it is . . . Matthews can look forward to having his liberty restored long before he becomes of pensionable age.

No, he cannot be considered for release until he is 61 - and the judge was right to say that he might never be released.

Porn is a difficult one because there are loads of men, well virtually all men watch it.

That's an offensive comment. Unless you count Penthouse when I was at school, forty-plus years ago, I have never done any such thing. TBH I would not know where to look for it online.

[specialsubject]

yes, that is a ridiculous and unacceptable comment.

Also reminder that there is a female killer here too.

[goddessofsmallthings]

If Matthews is released in early 2048 after serving 33 years less time served on remand, it will be 7 years before he attains pensionable age in 2055.

Other than natural/unnatural causes ending Matthews' life prematurely, the only guarantee that this killer will not be released from prison will by way of a whole life tariff imposed by the Home Secretary.

The expected news coverage of the verdicts/sentencing etc in the weekend's media has been superseded by the tragic events in Paris, otherwise I have no doubt that there would be calls for the Home Secretary to review Matthews' sentence which, of course, may still occur.

I find it curious that Hoare's defence made no mention of her alleged pregnancy, but if she did give birth while on remand it's to be hoped that any further children of her union with Matthews, together with their existing child, will be placed for adoption outside of their birth families.

[UnDeuxTroisCatsSank]

How can she have any further children with him?
Surely they have been on remand and had no contact?

[Groovee]

She was 18 weeks pregnant at the time of her arrest.

[UnDeuxTroisCatsSank]

She was pregnant when arrested. She is no longer pregnant.
The poster below talks about "further pregnancies"

[goddessofsmallthings]

As I understand it, there was one child of Matthews' and Hoare's union in existence at the time they were arrested.

It is alleged that Hoare was pregnant with twins at the time of arrest and, in the event that either or both of these 2 dc were born alive, they are 'further children' of her union with Matthews.

Hoare will be eligible for parole in 2023 and, even if she were to serve her full sentence, there will be ample time for her have more dc after she is released from prison.

[dottypotter]

I didn't understand how the pair could have bought a child up in the house they lived in. It was a pig sty, they lived in one room, every other room was filled with junk.

Something wrong here that they were bringing a child up in that mess. Didn't anyone ever visit the home>

Horrible scummy people.

[Groovee]

I think they had moved a few times. So maybe the HV etc visited when they first moved in.

See both want to appeal. Said the family haven't been through enough.