Labour 'face an existential threat from UKIP in the South'

[claig]

Tell us something we don't already know and celebrate regularly.

'A Labour candidate for parliament has said his party could be wiped from the map of MPs in parts of southern England such as Kent, unless it effectively battles the advance of Ukip'

'Speaking of Labour’s presence in the south, particularly places where it has no MPs but some councillors, he said: “They do really have … a real risk from Ukip. Our own constituency is one of them. Canterbury is one, many seats in Kent, where I do think the risk is an existential one, they might not exist after May if Ukip move at the pace they are.”

And it's not just Labour who face an "existential threat" from UKIP. The Tories are so panicked they have started to act incoherently, but to be frank it's hard to tell the difference as that is their usual state.

Everybody will get out and vote and they will finish the spinners off.

The revolution will be televised, the spinners will be surprised when Farage grabs the prize and the people are on the rise.

Sorry, here is the Guardian article

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/17/labour-candidate-existential-threat-ukip-south-working-class

"At the same meeting at the Labour local government conference, John Denham, a Labour former cabinet minister and leader of the party’s southern taskforce, admitted the party needed to listen to voters more. “We preach so much and we listen so little that we’ll never get anywhere unless we turn those two things round,” he said."

There's sheer panic in PPE meeting venues, where plots and schemes are hatched. Nothing works any more, the same old spin has lost its force, none of their acts, turns and spin can stop the people's revolution.

I think they should be more worried about some of the strongholds in the north to be honest, but I don't hold much hope in the general electorate on that front to not be voting purely because they have always voted that way.

The protest ukip vote will be diluted come the GE because of tactical voting, if people didn't tactically vote then maybe we would have clear differences between the main two that was thicker than a rizzla paper.

UKIP, the same as the Green Party on the left are bat shit crazy and would be a disaster, thankfully neither will win any major seats but it might shake up the system a little

How vile.

'How vile.'

I know, but don't worry, they're facing an "existential threat from UKIP", so they may not exist in some areas of the South much longer.

This is chickens coming home to roost. Labour courted the middle classes (I know, I know) and dumped their socialist ethos.

Now we're facing National Socialism in the form of UKIP. And I use my words very carefully.

"Now we're facing National Socialism in the form of UKIP. And I use my words very carefully."

Nothing less than a malicious lie.
Evidence please that UKIP are Nazis!

god help up
the idea of UKIP getting in where I live or nationally feels me with dread.

As you surely realise, for UKIP to get more than a few MPs is an impossibility in our FPTP system.

I would hope that some wins for UKIP will put pressure on Tories to hold an EU referendum and unlike in the current parliament, to gain control over immigration. Over half a million foreign immigrants annually is utterly unsustainable and an existential threat.

Why does even the possibility of a local victory 'fill you with dread'? Are you Eastern European by any chance?

fuck off.
no
just someone who is not a bigot

Aerfen .... re your "As you surely realise, for UKIP to get more than a few MPs is an impossibility in our FPTP system."

With 15% or more of the vote, mainly ex Conservative voters, UKIP could get 10 or more seats.

But what I don't understand is that within a Conservative Parliamentary party where many MPs WANT an in/out Referendum to sort this out once and for all, why you think more UKIP MPs bluster is needed - especially as the Eurozone is still economically struggling and a Greek economic collapse affecting the Treaty STILL a real possibility?

A further problem with your 'cunning plan' is that if in 2010 a UKIP with 3% of the general election votes stopped the Conservatives getting a parliamentary majority, a 15% electoral turnout will ensure pro EU/immigration Labour/Miliband is AT LEAST the largest party in Westminster taking the EU Referendum off the political agenda -especially within a 2015 5-year grand loose socialist coalition (including the Scottish and Welsh nationalists) who INSIST we stay 'in'.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/7693877/General-Election-2010-Ukip-challenge-cost-Tories-a-Commons-majority.html

In conclusion; voting UKIP will ensure the people have no democratic right to a say on whether we stay in the EU, having FIRST been given all the economic and immigration pros and cons BEFORE hand - and also subjecting England to the Westminster policy whims of the SNP, similar to Labour, who think we can tax an economy to growth.

P.S.

March 7 2015; “SNP opens door to pact with Labour”
www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4375437.ece

The question is will Mr Milband rule out any coalition with the SNP before the General Election, as if not, many in England will not be happy with UKIP afterwards on several main policy areas, including no possibility in addressing EU concerns e.g. a Referedum, for at least 5-years, possibly 10-years based on dodgy pro Labour electoral boundary lines.

Don’t forget, 36% of the vote in 2010 gave the Conservatives a 20 seat parliamentary shortfall of a majority, while 35% of the vote gave Labour a 66 seat MAJORITY in 2005.

I don't think most UKIP votes will come from ex-Tories tbh.

I think they will come from thick (and I also use my words carefully) Sun readers who share Britain First shit on FB.

In all fairness to Conservative-leaning voters, that demographic is not them.

Why does even the possibility of a local victory 'fill you with dread'? Are you Eastern European by any chance?

What is they were? Don't eastern europeans also have the right to feel safe in this country and not treated like scum?

Nothing less than a malicious lie.
Evidence please that UKIP are Nazis!

UKIP are a fascist party and full of racist councillors and members.

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Is UKIP a racist party? These 15 comments would suggest so

leftfootforward.org/2015/02/is-ukip-a-racist-party-these-15-comments-would-suggest-so/

Almost half of Ukip's supporters declare themselves to be 'racially prejudiced', yet the majority say they are inherently not racist.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/23/ukip-is-officially-the-most-racist-party_n_6733996.html

every single person.....every single one i speak with regarding the election is going to vote ukip in protest. i hope enough people also protest vote to make whoevrr wins take notice tbh.

Are you going to vote UKIP Claig?

Every single person you speak to is going to vote UKIP? Gosh, you must have some interesting conversations.....I bet it gets quite tiresome trying to find words short enough, and simple enough, to get through to lots of people with that level of intelligence (sic)
Or do you draw them pictures?

im not a great drawer tbh. and they are all quite intelligent people, just fed up i guess? im not going to protest vote as i have no wish to contribute to their numbers personally

i have no wish to vote for any of the other shits either

'Are you going to vote UKIP Claig?'

On the fence

Absolutely. I want change just like nearly eveyone else. No more status quo, no more stitchups by an out of touch elite.

'every single person.....every single one i speak with regarding the election is going to vote ukip in protest'

''every single person.....every single one i speak with regarding the election is going to vote ukip in protest'

It seems that this happens not only to me and GahBuggerit, but also to Ed Miliband himself when he is out of sight of his progressive minders. Poor bloke, none of the luvvie advisers, SPADs and cads told him what the people really think.

In case youtube doesn't work, the gist of the converstaion between the worker and Ed is as follows:

The worker says:
This morning I was sat in the .. area over there. It's where the workers ... and they're ALL leaning now towards UKIP.

Ed says "Yeah, yeah" without a hint of surprise as if he has heard it all before and has sadly accepted that that is now the norm. It is obviously not what his publicly funded team tell him in their briefings on the deck of the Titanic, but Ed was alone in a one-to-one with a worker and heard it from the horse's mouth. It's a disaster for Labour down South, tragedy up North and annihilation in Scotland.

That Labour "disaster" claim is rubbish as every expert in the know will tell you that unless the Conservatives are several percentage point ahead of the polls over Labour, then Labour WILL be the largest party in the Westminster Parliament - and for ages now, they have both been neck and neck, around 32%.

"Don’t forget, 36% of the vote in 2010 gave the Conservatives a 20 seat parliamentary shortfall of a majority, while 35% of the vote gave Labour a 66 seat MAJORITY in 2005."

"...unless the Conservatives are several percentage point ahead of the polls over Labour, then Labour WILL be the largest party in the Westminster Parliament"

Shit boundaries, stacked in favour of a shit party.

Then again, on recent results PR would give UKIP a healthy number of seats and BNP more than the Greens. I think the right wing are likely to do well this time round.

This was back in Jun 2014. Peter Hain is standing down but thinks Miliband will make it as PM but without a majority. Everything has changed because of UKIP. The pundits are writing UKIP off, but don't write the people off yet. We're on the rise and we are going to topple the luvvies.

"Labour can’t win a majority after UKIP’s rise, says Hain"
"Shadow ministers warn Labour voters are flocking to UKIP"

"Work and pensions spokesman Rachel Reeves warned that senior Labour figures that blue-collar supporters felt UKIP understood their fears better.

She said campaigning had shown her that support for the party was falling in safe seats.

‘Traditional voters, who perhaps at times we took for granted but had nowhere else to go, are now being offered an alternative by UKIP,' she added.

‘Our voters – if I can still call them that – see UKIP offering a vision and a hope that things can be better. They hear something that resonates with them and with their fears for the future and that’s something very real that we have to contend with.

‘The Labour Party came into existence to give a voice for ordinary working people.

‘I saw middle-class, public-sector, well-educated young graduates voting Labour – but the people who the Labour Party was set up to help abandoning us.

‘Our very raison d’etre will be threatened if the working people who the Labour Party have got to be a voice for start to drift away because they don’t see us as the answer.’

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2652400/Labour-win-majority-UKIPs-rise-says-Hain-Ex-minister-admits-public-dont-Miliband-Prime-Minister.html

Rachel Reeves is very good. She gets it. Labour are in a fight for their lives. The polls are not telling the true story which is

"every single person.....every single one i speak with regarding the election is going to vote ukip in protest"

Listen to Miliband say "right, yeah" to the worker when the worker says that "they're ALL leaning now towards UKIP".

Rachel says

‘I saw middle-class, public-sector, well-educated young graduates voting Labour – but the people who the Labour Party was set up to help abandoning us.'

That is Labour's tragedy. They have got the luvvie vote in the bag. But they have lost the people. Just look at Scotland, it is a wipeout.