Madeleine McCann investigation

[lyndie]

I saw today that possible excavations are to start in the resort where MM went missing.

Does anyone think the progress The Met have made is astonishing given the length of time that has elapsed? I can't help but wonder what progress could have been made if they had been involved at the start.

I really hope that somehow they can find out what happened and give her family some sort of closure. I know the ins and outs of what happened and her parents leaving her have been discussed at length on MN but from a crime point of view I would be very interested to see if the Portugese police had done enough or not.

I haven't read any insinuations at all.

I think the thread has been very measured as so far everything mentioned seems to be a matter of record.

Amaral said it. I've heard it said by credulous ghouls on these threads before. But thankfully MN deletes them - because they are libellous and not in the spirit of the site.

But it hasn't been repeated on this thread well apart from you.

Hi all, we are receiving A Lot of reports about this thread. Just going to have a good look at all of the reports now, but when it comes to threads like this we broadly take a view on whether each one makes parents' lives easier, and we long ago decided to include the McCann parents in that decision, so there is a good chance that it will go. No decision yet, of course, we still have to go through the reports.

If we digress into children being assaulted - we have had more than enough cases of our own recently. Furthermore, until the Jimmy Savile business erupted, far far too often the children were not believed. Unfortunately, this appears to be something of a global phenomena.

The insinuations are the posts giving credence to the PT or the PJ files - the files which accuse Kate and Gerry of either harming their daughter/witnessing her accidental death and then hiding her body.

costa knows this - that's why she's only pm'ing them to people.

Thank you, YetAnotherHelenMN.

But isn't that the view of the Portugal police?

Well what a surprise - well done everyone who remained civil it was nice to have a rational discussion, unfortunately not everyone wants that

I'm still available on PM

These threads tend to derail when someone comes on and objects to the fact that people are daring to question one version of events.

The fact is, people have been calming discussing matters of public record - details of which just don't happen to fit with the version of events normally portrayed by the British media. Still, they are perfectly non-libellous.

Sabrina, I have reported your post to hq.

My post can go - with pleasure - hopefully the whole thread will.

But I'd just like to make clear, that when people allude to the PT theory, or the PJ files, or Amarals theory, ^^ that is what they are insinuating.

Amaral was sacked. He was under investigation for withholding information regarding another missing child.

It's not actually

Do you want to discuss the Cipriano case Vevvie - I'm quite happy to - the child who was killed by her mother and uncle, who are both serving prison sentences?

Well costa the UK press's view is that the Portuguese police are a bunch of sardine munchers, so of course their investigation must have been wrong.

I suspect that they are pretty much the same as most other western police forces. Our own police forces haven't exactly been covered in glory recently - Stephen Lawrence, Hillsborough cover up are two which spring to mind.

Of course - the UK media still think Britannia rules the waves, everyone else is subordinate and should now and scrape!

What is it then, costa? Instead of shady "Pm me if you want to know" posts - why not say?

Racism now!

Racism?

The files are freely available for anyone who wants to look for them but I don't think mumsnet would appreciate links here

Is it really so shocking that a large amount of people think the PJ are telling the truth (whether that comes to the right conclusion or not), rather than believing the version printed by the mail? Especially when not all of mumsnet are in the uk, and arent so privileged to see the red tops take on events? Costa has made it clear on every thread about this, she is posting from portugal, she sees different news to us.

Did we ever colonise Portugal, that might explain the colonial notion that other nations are inept and if only the Brits took charge, it would all be OK.

Tongue in cheek, obv.

Why would a civilised discussion be silenced?

Xenophobia but yes exactly - I've seen it in print in UK media many times - sardine munching, boozy, bungling PT plod - up yours senhor was one memorable headline

To be fair the British press's whole take on this case is surreal, so insulting the PJ just seems to be an extension of this.