2 explosions at the finish line at the Boston Marathon.

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BBC have it as news at the moment.

Sky also have it.

One person dead according to Sky on the TV.

Bullets have the same effect no matter how old the gunman is.

The US is a very law-abiding country. People are very civic-spirited and many contribute a lot of time to their communities. Volunteering is a way of life to a greater extent than anywhere else I have seen. People appreciate what they have and know what it has taken to get it. There is very little sympathy for anyone who wants to destroy what so many have built up. People especially appreciate the freedom to go about their business without having bags checked at public gatherings, etc. I think that lies behind some of the feeling exhibited when this man was apprehended.

you and I must go to different places

Am I the only one here to feel that there is something not quite right here with how this has all been presented? Too many unanswered big questions, looose threads, oddnesses.... I'm no tin hat type but ... I certainly hope the accused get a fair trial. Hmmmm...

There's an awful lot of conspiracy theories on the interweb.

No, I don't think there's anything dodgy about all this. It's barely been a week, one suspect is dead and the other can't speak, of course there are still unanswered questions.

The government can't win. If they had answers for everything then the nutjobs would be all, oh isn't that neat and tied up.... TOO neat and tied up...

I can't fucking stand truthers.

That this guy is a patsy??

More questions raised here. Every terror plot in the US since 2001 has been instigated by the FBI which leaves me wondering whether this one was too, and they took their eye off the ball.

Oh please.

What do you mean instigated by the FBI? You do realise the FBI is the counterterrorism agency within the US, of course they will be involved in anything remotely connected to it.

That article doesn't really raise any valid questions. None of this seems all that strange if you know a lot about terrorism and the latest thinking on radicalisation. I imagine it will all make a lot more sense as time goes on and more evidence emerges.

OK - some things don't seem to add up to me.

1. The guy caught is pictured climbing out of the boat looking fine,able to get himself out. It's from a video but only this clip is given. The thermal imaging video ends before he comes out. Then the papers show him on the ground and in the ambulance in photos, with an oxygen mask on looking bloody in the face. Clearly there is a gap of some time between getting out (basically fine) and being at death's door with his throat shot out. Videos exist of this as we've seen them earlier - no reason to assume they stopped videoing then. But we're not shown these or any pics. Instead we're told 'he probably shot himself in the mouth'. Either he did or he didn't. If he did, it's on camera. So why not shown? Seems odd. And rather conveient that he can't now talk and tell his own story, except mediated through bits of paper - who is to know if some words on paper are by him or not?

1. We are told that video exists of him planting the bomb. Pretty conclusive if true. But so far, we have just other people's words that this video footage exists.

1. Literally every single person who describes him who knows him has said the younger brother is a really nice normal guy. Normally, when you have psychos who kill lots of people, it is afterwards generally acknowledged they were a bit/a lot odd. But this guy went to parties afterwards, appeared totally normal and relaxed to everyone who knew him and was universally liked. The older brother seems to have been less likeable and more fantical, but again it's certainly not a given that this is enough motivation. Seems...odd.

1. Motivation - being Moslem - even quite keen - is not on its own enough. Nor is being Chechen - the Chechens have no history at all of terrorism outside Russia and experts say it is v unexpected and atypical. The Chechen leadership disown it and say they have no interest in bombing anywhere outside Russia. So if they did do it, why?

And that's before you get onto photos of others, backpacks that may or not be missing etc etc which is where you start getting tin hatty IMO. The commonsense mysteries are enough for me.

Maybe they did do it - but it's essential the one left gets a fair trial. Which the business with Miranda rights sounds like it might not be the case. Loss of iinocent lives should not be the precursor to loss of basic rights for American citizens generally - one tragedy should not lead to another, the latter self-inflicted.

But again -- it's one week after the bombing, only a few days since they caught the guys. Do you really expect the FBI to have a fully coherent, nicely packaged presentation of all the evidence ready for public consumption? They are still investigating. I'm sure all your questions will be answered at some point.

Sorry but I find it mindboggling that people are worried about these 'mysteries' and jumping to conspiracy theories, just because they don't have the full story immediately available. This isn't CSI, in real life all this stuff takes a lot of time, way more than people think.

On motivation for example, that will only come out after weeks, if not months, of sifting through every aspect of these young men's lives, with a wide variety of experts weighing in.

Motivation is never simple anyway. It's always a mix of the political and the personal. You can't even take the perpetrator's words at face value, none of them are going to say 'I killed people because I'm a loser who sucks at life'.

I think it was a couple years before they figured out how much Timothy McVeigh's motivations were affected by his PTSD.

Life is not always sinister. Sometimes it's just complicated, and messy.

The guy caught is pictured climbing out of the boat looking fine,able to get himself out

is he getting out or getting in? which pic is it, breadandbutterfly - have you got a link?

I just wish the media would stop reporting all the delusional nonsense the mother keeps spouting about how they rang her every day & told her everything - I have sons of similar ages & I know they censor very quite heavily what they choose to tell me

Press for truth article.

Activist Post article towards the bottom of which they state:-

"Fact: the FBI has been involved in staging numerous fake terror plots using patsies to make themselves look like heroes when they stop the attack. Now they've been caught in a web of lies surrounding one that went live and resulted in the deaths of Americans"

Hope you're right, Bohemian. I would certainly much prefer this to be the work of 2 unbalanced nutters, pref with lessons that can be learnt in terms of what caused them to do it, than some sort of mysterious undercover and unknown involvement from somewhere else.

Someone posted this on my wall, not sure what to make of it?

Ponders - it's the main photo which has been labelled in virtually all media as a picture of him getting out. Why would there be a pic of him getting in? And if you're going to say there was CCTV conveniently shooting all the time then why do we see none from when he was out of the boat - why only thermal imaging stuff which stops short of when he emerges?

It doesn't make any sense. But someone accused of a v serious crime may never speak again as a result. So I think we should be shown.

"But we're not shown these or any pics. Instead we're told 'he probably shot himself in the mouth'. Either he did or he didn't. If he did, it's on camera. So why not shown?"

That footage is of someone one being shot fgs. It's not a movie. Isn't it obvious why it's not suitable or broadcast?

If the FBI were going to set up patsies, wouldn't they pick middle-eastern bearded types? Boosting support for foreign war efforts, etc.

It doesn't make sense that if it was a set-up, they'd pick western-looking supposedly happy-go-lucky Chechens. Their problem is with Russia, not the US.

Sorry, should have warned you, is gruesome.

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'This image, taken from a surveillance camera shows Dzhokhar Tsarnaev climbing into a boat Friday morning after a police gun battle. He was later found in the boat and captured'

there are thermal images of him in the boat while they chucked stun grenades in - he would have been pretty battered & bloody climbing out after that!

& you can see from the pics of the boat after the gun battle that the cover was completely shredded

it isn't shredded in the CCTV image

Tenbit, there are three people dead including an 8 year old boy and 170 odd people in hospital with horrific injuries including multiple amputees.

If it was all staged, then how the hell do you explain that?

How can you say he looks fine climbing out of the boat? It's all grainy and really poor light.

It's not me saying it is staged, just thought I'd add this to the mix as it's in front of me now.

I suppose, the US government being as it is, could well be pretending to have a hospital full and dead people perhaps?

I have no idea.

And Boston is a city pretending to have hospitals full of injured people? Their family and friends all lying for the FBI?

If whoever posted it on FB thinks it's staged, then they're not really thinking clearly.