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2 explosions at the finish line at the Boston Marathon.

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landofsoapandglory · 15/04/2013 20:22

BBC have it as news at the moment.

Sky also have it.

One person dead according to Sky on the TV.

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dreamingbohemian · 22/04/2013 14:33

Oh right, they're just pretending that all those people are dead and injured. Hundreds of eyewitness accounts and media reportage everywhere, it's all just a show.

Just like on 9/11 where they made those four planeloads of people disappear, presumably to Tahiti or something.

Honestly. I'm not sure you realise how deeply offensive these stupid theories are to people who have actually been affected by these attacks.

dreamingbohemian · 22/04/2013 14:37

I mean really, what is MORE believable?

That hundreds, if not thousands, of people are participating in rogue US government plots, involving the murder of innocent people, just so that government agencies can look good? (The same agencies which, btw, have plenty of actual plots to deal with and look good about?)

OR

That two idiot men, who have clearly had complicated lives, decided for some deranged reason to blow people up?

breadandbutterfly · 22/04/2013 14:42

Ponders, the Daily Mail says he's getting OUT of the boat in this article:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312486/Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-Bomb-suspect-wakes-answers-FBI-questions-writing-shooting-mouth.html

Clearly they are not the most reliable source...!

breadandbutterfly · 22/04/2013 14:46

Actually, my brother said that on his facebook the Chinese woman who died (the one noone mentioned) was a friend of a facebook friend. So a 'real' person and sounds genuine.

I'm not suggeting no-one got hurt - i'm just not terribly convinced that the 2 accused did it. What happened to the person in the car they carjacked who they apparently confessed to but then let get away unharmed. Who is this person? Why were they allowed to get away? All sounds rather convenient, again...

I'm reminded of the landlord guy in the UK murder, where it turned out to be random mad Dutch neighbour. The papers were convinced it was the landlord. It wasn't.

LtEveDallas · 22/04/2013 14:58

Fucking Hell Tenbit, that is horrendous and bloody ridiculous.

If someone posted that on my FB wall I'd be very quick to tell them what a cunt they are and defriend them immediately - not give it more publicity.

Disgusting.

mathanxiety · 22/04/2013 15:05

NicholasTeakozy your links are all the work of nutjobs.

Tenbit too.

People who watched too many X Files reruns?

noblegiraffe · 22/04/2013 15:27

Bread, there are plenty of photos of them at the marathon wearing backpacks. They shot a policemen dead and engaged in a gun battle with other police officers. They threw explosives at the police. One of them died after the gun battle and the other was found hiding in a boat covered in blood.

But you aren't sure they did it? They were pretty well armed for innocents weren't they?

EldritchCleavage · 22/04/2013 15:45

it's essential the one left gets a fair trial. Which the business with Miranda rights sounds like it might not be the case

The last US govt limited or revoked Miranda rights for foreign terror suspects.

As for the parents, they were a long long way away from their sons and had been for some time. There may be a measure of guilt (and understandable denial) in how they are now reacting to the accusation their sons were the bombers. This seems to have been a rather fractured family-the sister is reported as saying she hadn't been in contact for a long time.

breadandbutterfly · 22/04/2013 16:33

noblegiraffe - I'm sure lots of people at the marathon were wearing backpacks. It's hardly unusual - or a criminal offence. Unless we see evidence that they put the bags down and those bags contained bombs, it's not proof of anything.

Again, we've been told they shot a policeman and threw explosives and the younger even ran over the elder brother - but the police are hardly going to admit to having accidentally shot the suspect dead. It is another fact that seems rather convenient...doesn't mean it is made up - but the proof is still lacking. I'd love to say the police never lie,or that the media never try to pin a crime on an easy target, but I'd be wrong on both counts... so I'd like a bit more than 'an anonymous source said' as my evidence.

breadandbutterfly · 22/04/2013 16:35

E;ldritch - the younger brother is an American citizen. So he is entitled to the same rights as any other.

NicholasTeakozy · 22/04/2013 16:36

Nutjobs Math? Why? For doubting the official version of events?

EldritchCleavage · 22/04/2013 17:08

Yes, I'd forgotten that breadandbutterfly.

breadandbutterfly · 22/04/2013 17:35

noblegiraffe - should add that they did run away, true - but this was after they'd had their faces all over the papers as 'guilty of mass murder'. Not sure what most people would do in those circumstances, but running away might seem like a good idea...

mathanxiety · 22/04/2013 17:42

Yes, NicholasTeakozy, just that. As DreamingBohemian said:

'what is MORE believable?
That hundreds, if not thousands, of people are participating in rogue US government plots, involving the murder of innocent people, just so that government agencies can look good? (The same agencies which, btw, have plenty of actual plots to deal with and look good about?)
OR
That two idiot men, who have clearly had complicated lives, decided for some deranged reason to blow people up?'

The FBI isn't involved in any kind of popularity sweepstakes.

EldritchCleavage · 22/04/2013 17:44

I've no objection to people questioning official accounts, certainly not, but only if it is on a reasoned, rational basis. Suggesting that the myriad eyewitnesses were watching actors and no one is really injured seems not to pass that test, to me.

mathanxiety · 22/04/2013 17:49

That is how I feel too.

noddyholder · 22/04/2013 17:53

The US is in a bit of a state right now with gun laws etc and so it is easy to see why people are questioning everything. It is not helped by the fact that most terrorist attacks like this have coincided with drills in the same locations.

LtEveDallas · 22/04/2013 18:44

The massive bombing of Glenanne (NI, 1991) took place just over a week after a large scale security exercise involving troops from the barracks. Likely targets are always tested, and sadly sometimes it happens for real. It's funny though, there doesn't seem to the same conspiracy theorists abound where NI and the IRA were concerned - just murderous evil bastards.

Earlybird · 22/04/2013 19:11

From NBC News:

'' The carjacking victim told police his abductors told them they were the marathon bombers and said they would not kill him because he ?wasn?t American,? according to a police report obtained by NBC News.
The man, who has asked that his identity not be revealed, told NBC News that he managed to escape and called his captors ?brutal and cautious.? "

noddyholder · 22/04/2013 19:13

Several terror attacks have coincided with local terror drills. The Boston Globe tweeted that day that there was to be a controlled explosion.And this in London reported by the

breadandbutterfly · 22/04/2013 19:24

Why would they volunteer this info to a stranger and then release him? Sounds very odd...

NicholasTeakozy · 22/04/2013 19:25

17 questions that remain unanswered. I have another: was this a false flag operation similar to the attempted bombing of The Federal Reserve which was planned with the assistance of the FBI?

noddyholder · 22/04/2013 19:25

Doesn't it just bread?

dreamingbohemian · 22/04/2013 19:39

17 questions, my arse.

Why, he's been looking into all this for days. For days!

I really don't want to be that kind of person, but look, I've been doing research in this area professionally for quite a few years now, I've also worked in a number of places that were terrorist targets and spent a lot of time with security people. My current boss is one of the top terrorism experts in the world. All this conspiracy nonsense is bollocks.

Go ahead, have questions, use your reason to think about whether things make sense. I'm not saying we should blindly believe the government.

But the fact that we the public don't know and understand everything within a few days just means that the investigation is not complete and not publicly available. It does not automatically mean there is some ridiculous sinister conspiracy.

Every single day in the US, people flip out and kill innocent people. That's what America is! Why is it so hard to believe that's what happened here?