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Scotsman Newspaper puts swastika on the saltire.

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TapselteerieO · 07/04/2013 12:22

Can't bring myself to link to the paper, there is the image of the Saltire in their paper, but with a swastika instead of a cross.

So irrespective of how you will vote, do you think they are wrong to use nazi imagery to attack pro-independence voters?

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LadyBeagleEyes · 07/04/2013 12:31

And Klan Alba?
WTF?

GlaikitHasHerFizzBack · 07/04/2013 12:32

I do think its wrong. To imply that pro independence supporters are in any way similar to hitler and his ideals is bullying and down right wrong.

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TapselteerieO · 07/04/2013 12:37

I think Klan Alba is a klu klux klan reference too - but I am inferring that.

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LadyBeagleEyes · 07/04/2013 12:39

What else could it be Taps?

trixymalixy · 07/04/2013 12:41

FFS. I'm going to vote no to independence, but think this is totally wrong and quite offensive.

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TapselteerieO · 07/04/2013 12:42

Well at least we are not alone in thinking it is wrong here but where is the balanced media debate that we all want? Is there a paper out there that is willing to give an opposing view? Is the media just for unionists? (Happy to be proved wrong).

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Annunziata · 07/04/2013 12:44

I will vote no but that is horrible.

FannyFifer · 07/04/2013 12:45

I am disgusted that my flag has been defaced in this manner, every Scottish person regardless of how they intend to vote should be horrified by this.

LadyBeagleEyes · 07/04/2013 12:52

I'd be interested to hear any comments from Alex Salmond and the SNP on this.
I hope this is brought up in the Scottish parliament.

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TapselteerieO · 07/04/2013 13:05

I would love to here from all the parties, even the Tories. It is just unjustifiable to me - I can't think of one reason why it would be okay to link the yes vote with Nazism?

Or even on a basic level outwith the voting debate - why would it ever be okay for The Scotsman/Scotland on Sunday to put a swastika on the saltire and put it in their newspaper?

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SundaeGirl · 07/04/2013 13:10

Wow, that's interesting. The Scotsman is nearly on it's last legs - this kind of stunt is exactly what it needs to get people reading/talking about it again.

Sorry, I realise that's not what you are posting about, OP. I'm not shocked tbh because it's just press drama. No one should actually be offended. I'm Scottish btw.

SantanaLopez · 07/04/2013 13:12

Didn't the Herald pull a similar stunt a while ago? I remember that photo quite clearly.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/04/2013 13:20

I saw this too and couldn't believe it!

It was just such a shocking, and inaccurate image.

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TapselteerieO · 07/04/2013 13:39

So " press drama" makes it okay Sundae, do you also agree with the Daily Fails use of the Philpotts to hurt all people on benefits?

I agree with you on the fact that the Scotsman might see it as getting publicity at any cost but sometimes negative publicity sticks - I just hope it sticks to them like shit.

We need open, honest debate and this is a very clear example of the Bitter Together's campaign and negative attitude to the debate through a powerful media - whatever happens to The Scotsman they are one of our biggest newspapers - and although I have not bought one of their papers for a long time because they do not represent my views, I still think they need to apologise for this - it is insulting on so many levels. We have press complaints commission for a reason, and thinking it is okay to print trash needs to be called wrong. Or does anything go?

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TapselteerieO · 07/04/2013 13:40

Santana can you find the Herald article? I did a quick google but couldn't find anything.

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SantanaLopez · 07/04/2013 13:50

I can't. I am sure I remember something very similar though.

I disagree with 'press drama'. There is drama and there is the clear insinuation that the Yes campaign/SNP are fascists, which is insulting to them and those who suffered from fascism no matter which way you will vote.

GlaikitFizzog · 07/04/2013 13:50

Bitter Together :o brilliant!

SantanaLopez · 07/04/2013 13:52

Ah, DH has just told me the photo is from the front of Devine's book. I don't know why I connected it with the Herald Confused

SantanaLopez · 07/04/2013 13:52

[[http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scottish-Nation-1700-2000-Tom-Devine/dp/0140230041/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365339134&sr=1-5&keywords=tom+devine Here] is the original.

SantanaLopez · 07/04/2013 13:53

Shit. Here

SundaeGirl · 07/04/2013 14:22

I just think I have thicker skin, that's all. Dramatic imagery is used on all sides of the debate. I wouldn't use Nazi imagery to depict nationalists, but then I wouldn't describe unionists as Bitter either.

MrsBungle · 07/04/2013 14:24

Shock I cannot believe they have done that to The Saltire Angry

GlaikitFizzog · 07/04/2013 14:27

I think the bitter was a typo sundae Hmm

SantanaLopez · 07/04/2013 14:45

I've heard Bitter Together used quite often.

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TapselteerieO · 07/04/2013 14:48

British nationalism.Good.?
Scottish nationalism.Racist fascism.?

You can't have it both ways, you can't claim all is fair in the no campaign then grumble about a fairly gentle comic typo.

But I apologise if it offended you Sundae. Not hard to apologise or withdraw a negative image, if the Saltire/swastika image is removed and they apologise then maybe we can move on and have an intelligent debate about Scotland's future dependence or independence.

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