Too early for a Medicine 2027 thread?

[SuperSue77]

Just wondered if there was any interest in a medicine 2027 thread for those of us with YP going into year 12 who plan to apply for medicine? I've seen one or two lurking previously and will try to tag if I can find their user names. Just conscious that I am always posting on the 2026 thread, yet DD is a year behind them and so my comments aren't so relevant.

Please come and join me here if you are interested.

Well I don't suppose they invited back the ones who couldn't pass their Royal College exams (the first external and countrywide ones that they will have sat.)

There is no need to be so defensive. I am advocating caution, that's all.

Actually speaking to people is anecdote by the way.

Thanks for sharing my your thoughts @Scotiasdarling but I’m not sure what you are suggesting our YP do differently? All attempt to get into the ‘top’ med schools? Just give up now and pursue something else? Not get their hopes up?

Probably not get their hopes up .The employment numbers I have quoted are actually the truth, and obviously one third of the cohort will get to the top. The others will either decide it's not for them or get research jobs or work in the pharmaceutical industry for example. What will not happen is that they will all become consultants or GPs. But they will have degrees and transferable skills. Going to the best medical school they can will help (some teaching styles are more effective than others)

It's pretty much the same approach I encouraged my dc to take when they applied for law (just as competitive).

Pretty sure ratio last year was like 5:1 for GP meaning 5 applicants for one space

It is as crazy as it seems, and with more med school spaces opening year on year despite a growing backlog of grads waiting for positions the situation isn't looking too bright, its true

Even with grad prioritisation it would take a long time and more changes to fix this mess

That being said if someone wants to do medicine and nothing else they can still go for it, just gotta consider the return on investment so to speak isn't what it was before

You don't have quite the same job security anymore but it is still a respectable career and makes people happy :)

As long as you look at it sensibly and know what you are getting yourself in for I don't think people should be too discouraged

And as for med schools, med is med anywhere

That was LAST YEAR, before UKGrad prioritisation. There are more than enough jobs for ALL UK graduates, to CCT. Many IMGs got speciality training even with this, proving jobs are there. Were just being filled from abroad at an alarming rate. It will take a few years to even out but by the time your DC graduate it should be fine (unless another idiot comes along).

What makes a good doctor ? What makes a good medical school ? These differ for different people. There are NO qualified UK doctors who have not trained to the required standard - they'd fail ARCP if they didn't.

But if the Uni status matters to you then your only option is to fulfill the criteria they ask for. You do you (but please support your kids if they don't want London or Oxbridge and want to go somewhere near the sea/with a campus/where they do full body dissection/where they train you as a HCA/where there is a really great student pub.

What is 'the top' ? Many doctors happily take 20 years to CCT - they'd fail ARCP or do teaching jobs, have babies, travel etc along the way. All the time working as doctors. I am really interested what this top is

Law is not medicine. They are v be different. No idea why they are ever talked about in the same conversation. Doctors have one employer in the UK.

Don't look at applications rates, look at fill rates (on same NHS page). It's surprising that not all jobs have been taken every year - showed how stupid the system was as you can apply to every speciality if you want !

Top is perfectly obviously being a consultant. Training jobs are just that, training. People do them and then move on. I can't imagine anyone with any ambition taking 20 years to train, and I can't imagine anyone wanting to be treated by anyone who took 20 years to train.

And it is a complete red herring to say that doctors have one employer and lawyers have many. There are about 19000 new law graduates every year trying to get 6000 training contracts. It doesn't matter that those training contracts are with many different firms, the total number is the same. Just like doctors being employed in different hospitals.

Why are you banging on about law again ?? Totally pointless.

And you obviously know very little about being a doctor 😂. It's not a race to consultant. And 'training' means you do the job - ST1s will be doing c sections and realigning your bones.
And I never said lawyers have many employers ? As I'm talking about medicine on a medicine thread.

No idea why this has been brought up by you yet again. But I hate bad advice and untruths.

Not sure who this person thinks does most of the teaching in Med schools 😂. It's those pesky resident doctors, taking time out of training for a while.

Well you did say that doctors have one employer, so that rather implied that you thought that was different from other professions.

And you will have to prove that anything I have said is untrue (it isn't).

I know it's untrue. No need to prove anything. And every other person in here can make up
their own minds.

Lawyers really do like to argue !