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Just booked Dd MMr but am scared

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Georgiesmum · 16/05/2006 12:30

I have just booked Dd 1st MMr jab and now I am worrying. My DP and I have looked onto it and decided to go through with it but I am alittle scared still.

It seems we parents are having to try a decide which is the lesser of two evils. Not vaccinate and risk the illnesses or vacinnate and risk autism. I am finding it so hard and am so scared that my decision COULD determine the rest of my daughters life.

Anybody else fell the same?

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foundintranslation · 16/05/2006 12:31

Yes. I am currently dithering.

expatinscotland · 16/05/2006 12:33

Will do it, but not till 18 months.

W/DD2, we have put off her vaccinations until she is 6 months - next month.

Also declining the MenC until she is about to enter secondary school, so she'll just be having two lots of the 5 in 1.

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Georgiesmum · 16/05/2006 12:34

Dd is nor 14 months by the way

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starshaker · 16/05/2006 12:36

i really cant decide either was thinkin about it today and ive had all 3 illnesses and am fine. really undecided will watch this with interest

shazronnie · 16/05/2006 12:36

no proven link between MMR and Autism, but there have been fatalities from measles; so for me it was an easy decision.

starshaker · 16/05/2006 12:36

i really cant decide either was thinkin about it today and ive had all 3 illnesses and am fine. really undecided will watch this with interest

shazronnie · 16/05/2006 12:37

also what if your child was not vaccinated and caught measles, then passed the infection onto another child who died from it?

expatinscotland · 16/05/2006 12:38

I don't mind mine having it, just not at the age they want you to. 15-18 months, but not 13 months.

stinky · 16/05/2006 12:39

why not go for singles then you won't have either dilemma?

Psychobabble · 16/05/2006 12:50

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foundintranslation · 16/05/2006 12:53

Would do singles - would be my preferred route TBH - but my paed claims they are not available here, not even privately (we are in Germany). Could I order tem from abroad or something, does anyone know?

chapsmum · 16/05/2006 13:03

\link{http://www.mmrthefacts.nhs.uk/\mmr the facts}
is a very useful website to visit when making this decision.
It is important that you realise that mmr does not dierctly cuase autism. Autism is a genetic condition you are either pre-disposed to it or not. It has certain trigger factors. And there are certain risk factors which are apparent in children, certain bowel disorders.
MMR is not proven to be one of them, however from discussions with jimjams (the vaccine expert). I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong here jimjams/ruty)
That the evidence suggested (not proved) that there was a potential link between children previously exposed to thermosil (which used to be contained in neonatal vaccine but is not longer used) who then when on to have mmr.
The concern is not soley the link between MMR and autism, it is about the strain that combination of three diseases puts on the immune system.

please look at the website I have linked if you need re-assurance.
I will have my chap vaccinated.

chipkid · 16/05/2006 13:37

just had dd done I waited until she was 19 months and talking. I was relieved that I had it done as there is an outbreak of measles in this area apparently-due to very poor uptake of the mmr.

Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 16/05/2006 13:49

I'm not discussing it, but yes that's broadly right chapsmum.The role thimerosal does/doesn't play in combination with the MMR is unclear. Theoretically it could interact. Wakefield thinks it might. There appears to be a subgroup of the population who are more at risk (either because of genetic factors or genetic + previous environmental factors). It's relatively easy to identify the group of children post damage (from their reaciton to the MMR and from tests carried out aftewards- they from a subgroup distinct form other autistic children), but currently not possible to identify them before damage. The absolute numbers damaged by the MMR are small (still sucks if you happen to be one though).

chapsmum · 16/05/2006 15:24

thanks for clarifying jimjams, appoligies for making you break your work on the keeping off the vax threads.

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Georgiesmum · 16/05/2006 15:25

Thankyou ladies, it is nice to know I am not the only one.

Stinky- I wont do the singles for 2 reasons- firstly they are far to expensive for us to be able to afford them and 2 my DP recently read that a majority of the songles that are in circulation are actually out of date so are useless anyway and can cause all sorts o problems because of it.

We will have her vacinated and I hope for the best.

Physo - was it mild forms of the diseases that your son had? I am trying to prepare myself so i dont panic!

Thankyou Chaps for the useful link

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chapsmum · 16/05/2006 15:40

gm, agree that the singles are far too expensive, but be careful of what you read nd the sources it comes from ie do not base your decision on articles from the daily record (no offrnce, but it is amazing the amount of crap and propoganda written about both sides of the argumet).
I would be very surprised to find any practitioner giving out of date vaccines and I belive that the single vaccine is just as effective as the triple for the purposes of immunisation.

Caligula · 16/05/2006 15:45

Does the MMR still contain thimerosal then? I thought they were phasing it out (hasn't it been phased out of the 5 in 1 DTPhibmenc?)

And is thiomersal the same as thimerosal because I keep seeing it spelled two different ways and when you google they both come up in relation to vaccines.

chapsmum · 16/05/2006 15:59

the mmr never did contain thimerosal, it was the first lot of neonatal jags thats contained it.. it is no longer used in vaccines.

harpsichordcarrier · 16/05/2006 16:05

iirc it used to be in the HIB (the ones you get at 2/3/4 months and not in the MMR
but I can't find anything to ack this up
maybe someone cleverer will be along in a minute

harpsichordcarrier · 16/05/2006 16:05

aha x posts
there you are - someone cleverer

chapsmum · 16/05/2006 16:07

hiya!

expatinscotland · 16/05/2006 16:08

it was in the old DPT jab, HC.

HappyMumof2 · 16/05/2006 16:17

both of mine have had it. Both at 13 mths (iirc)

I knew it was 100% the right thing to do for them

There is an outbreak of measles in our area too. Thankfully, not something I need to worry about.....

ruty · 16/05/2006 16:39

www.jabs.org.uk list single vaccine clinics nation wide - and i would be extremely surprised if any of those clinics were vaccinating children with out of date vaccines - that is more likely to happen at your local gp IMO. Again, unlikely, but i have heard of things like that happening. Singles are expensive though. there was one case of a doctor using out of date single vaccines - and he was swiftly put out of business, and that was a few years ago now.

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