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OK, fuck this.

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TheGoldenApplesOfTheSun · 18/09/2016 18:25

It's not the "casual" British antisemitism, though that does wear me out over time. Those going "what, anti-semitic overtones on Mumsnet? Never!" I kindly refer you to every thread about circumcision on this cunting thing. "No," you protest, "I'm just against religion, in general! And child abuse! Aren't you against child abuse, you monster?" . I tried educating about the blood libel and the way this sort of thing is used, take a look at my past posts, but I'm just tired now. I generally try to steer clear and figured, that's ok, right? I'm tired of being the one Jew in a debate about whether Jews are this or that, the voice piping up. I'll take a rest and I can go on other sections of the site like feminism chat. I love feminism and talking about it!

It's the trans threads. I just can't fucking stand them. Yes, trans women exist and are people, no they are not (insert every horrible trope possible here). Ffs, it's like Mumsnet wants to defend the wrongheaded shit of the eighties against all comers. We've BEEN through this, come out the other side stronger and kinder and realising that helping people who aren't just like us doesn't mean our own cause is failing. It's called intersectional feminism but apparently you didn't get the fucking memo.

Well count me out. I used to come on here for fun and informative chats but it's just turned into everything about the internet I hate - people shouting at me and each other and never trying to listen. Fuck you Mumsnet admins for facilitating this. You act like you're being neutral but is it neutral when friend groups freeze out the victims of abuse because "we can't know whose fault it was"? If you "don't pick a side" then you HAVE picked a side. It's the abusers side. And you know it.

I'm done here.

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samG76 · 19/09/2016 11:52

OP - I have some sympathy - Saggynaggy is a good example of what wears me (and probably you) down. Does Saggynaggy really want a forum with no Jews, Muslims or Africans? I'm sure she'd say no, but that is the consequence of what she's suggesting.

SaggyNaggy · 19/09/2016 11:57

I'm not sure why samG singled me out? I only agreed with a previous poster. Unless you can highlight where I said I don't want Jews, Muslims, Africans etc?

I dont agree with any unnecessary procedures done against people without the capacity to disagree. That goes for circumcision of babies.

JudgeEpantz · 19/09/2016 11:59

Saggy, and others, does this extend to ear piercing babies?

samG76 · 19/09/2016 12:18

SaggyNaggy - apologies - it should have been Northerlurker also. I appreciate that you don't agree with circumcision but does that mean that you want a site with no Jews and Muslims on it? Seems very dull. I'm against smoking, but I wouldn't want smokers banned. And I dislike Corbyn, but I wouldn't want his supporters to leave MN. Would be very boring if everyone agreed.....

SaggyNaggy · 19/09/2016 12:55

I also dislike babies with pierced ears.

But.... And here's an amazing thought....
Ypou can disagree with one facet of religion/society/someone's personality etc. Without wanting them removed from this site/room.

Its those difference of opinions that breed the most fascinating debates ime.

samG76 · 19/09/2016 13:29

Precisely, Saggy - so why support someone who says they won't miss a poster who leaves if they have a differing view.

SaggyNaggy · 19/09/2016 13:32

Because they want to leave.
If you, me, poster number 50338, want to leave over any reason, go for it, if they support things I disagree with and want to leave, bye then. Especially tue if there is no chance of debate, if you want to throw your toys out of the pram and "Flounce" then bye, do t let the door hit you where the good lord split you.

Hagothehills · 19/09/2016 15:25

Are you really trying to compare slicing off part of an infants genitalia with ear piercing? (Wwiw I don't agree with piercing babies ears either but there you go)

JudgeEpantz · 19/09/2016 15:31

Not trying to compare male circumcision with ear piercing but this whole "no consent to mutilation" argument ignores the routine mutilation of babies for fashion.

Hagothehills · 19/09/2016 15:38

I'm not sure it does really. I know a good few people who are wholly against both, because both violate that premise.

WankingMonkey · 19/09/2016 17:06

I am totally against ear piercing in babies, for what its worth too. I had a huge argument with FIL who was planning to get DDs ears done last year when she was 2. I am of the opinion that it should only be done if/when the child is old enough to ask for it done themselves. And even then, if my daughter asks at...say..5...I would say wait a few years.

ToastDemon · 06/12/2016 12:38

Bit late to the party but Winchester Woman your statement regarding there being no such thing as Palestine is terribly silly given that that is what the entire region was called until a few decades ago.
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ailPartout · 15/01/2017 13:02

The snag of course being that the Equalities Act doesn't rank protected characteristics. So the 'freedoms' of one do not trump those of the other. Your DDs are important, but not more important than anyone else's DC and their freedoms.

I'm fairly sure protected characteristics are ranked on MN hence the anti-trans posts being so common.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 02/02/2017 00:12

Mutilating a babies genitals, whether it be female or male just because the make believe person in the sky told you should be grounds for prosecution and imprisoment

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