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Please would MNHQ clarify the rules?

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ifIwerenotanandroid · 23/06/2021 15:58

Would @MNHQ (is that the right username?) please clarify the new situation? There's confusion & I think it will save everybody time if there's clarification.

As I understand it, this board is for any discussion of feminist topics where the topic & discussion does not include any mention of gender critical or trans issues. Therefore, nobody partaking in a discussion here can say what their definition of terms is. All we can do is talk about women & men. As soon as anyone says, e.g. 'inclusive' or 'ALL women' or 'biological females', the thread gets transferred to 'Sex & Gender Debate'.

Again as I understand it, the board split was about discussion topics & what's said within discussions. The split was neither of the following:

(a) all 'inclusive' feminists can post here & in 'Sex & Gender Debate', but 'gender critical' feminists can only post in 'Sex & Gender Debate'.
Rather, the board split is not a split between users, but between discussions, with the same rules applying to everyone.

(b) 'Feminist Chat' is now for the sole use of 'inclusive' feminists, who will be able to discuss those 'inclusive' views to their heart's content. As soon as a user posts any disagreement with those 'inclusive' views & definitions, the thread will be moved to 'Sex & Gender Debate'.
Rather, as I've said, nobody can attempt to define terms & impose those on anyone else. Anyone who attempts to do that will cause the thread to be moved to 'Sex & Gender Debate'.

From a discussion yesterday, it was apparent that some users view the board split as meaning (a) or (b) above. Clarification would be very helpful.

I'd also like to know whether penalties will apply to a user who causes a thread to be moved, by posting definitions or assumptions of terms. It's been suggested that Dark Forces of Misogyny might try to scupper any discussion on this board which is getting somewhere, by deliberately causing it to be moved. I don't know how big a threat that is.

Help please, MNHQ!

MichaelMumsnet · 23/06/2021 16:55

Hi @ifIwerenotanandroid,

It's still early days and we're seeing how the two sections bed in.
We want all Mumsnet users to feel they can use these boards.
The sections are separated by subject matter and we're looking at moving threads on a case by case basis - for now we're trying to moderate with a light touch.

Here's a quote from JustineMumsnet which might help to explain things:

'we intend to streamline the topics in the FWR category from five down to two: one ‘Sex/Gender debate’ topic, and one Feminism Chat topic. This doesn’t mean that every thread mentioning sex or biology will be moved to the ‘Sex/Gender debate’ topic, which would as many of you have pointed out be unworkable and odd. It’s not about pushing gender-critical feminists into a ghetto, but it is about clearly signposting where people can find conversations - between all kinds of feminists - of the ‘what does it mean to be a woman, are trans women women, is trans-inclusive feminism/activism/language impacting on women’ variety, and providing a separate topic without conversations of that kind.'

As always, if you're concerned about any post or poster then please do send in a report - we're always fine to take a look.

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