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...to ask Brexiters just one question?

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101handbags · 28/06/2016 12:46

Background, I'm a disappointed IN voter, but I accept the result and no way do I think we should have another referendum. I'd like to ask those who voted 'Out' if they could tell me, based on what they heard/read/discussed during the campaign, exactly what they understood by the term 'take control of our borders' as used during the campaign. I'm just curious and also worried if/when some of these people who voted out don't get what they think they voted for.

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Pinkheart5915 · 28/06/2016 12:50

There is an EU referendum topic for these posts. I'm sure there would be lots of people in that topic willing to talk about the referendum and reply to you

CathemeralChild · 28/06/2016 12:53

I didn't vote leave 'to take back our borders'.
I saw Farage and his racist cronies as an embarrassing distraction from the real issues, and thought, to be honest, that they would cost us the vote.
I also know the difference between the EU and the EEA.
unlike most Remain voters in FB

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101handbags · 28/06/2016 12:53

Thanks I do apologise, I'll get this post moved.

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ghostyslovesheep · 28/06/2016 12:54

Not sure but it was mentioned here repeatedly that a leave vote would probably NOT change free movement

YourPerception · 28/06/2016 12:54

I had no interest in borders. I made my EU decision before the referendum was announced.

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101handbags · 28/06/2016 12:55

My question was what did you understand by the term 'take back our borders' as used by the Leave campaign? As I said, I'll get this post moved.

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AdrenalineFudge · 28/06/2016 12:57

I agree with CathemeralChild our borders whilst in the EU were free for other member states but not for international countries. I'm not entirely sure who the 'Leavers' deem as immigrants? If it's international I can understand but a member of an EU country leaves me a bit perplexed as we can still go over there. I just want to know what sort of immigration were the Leavers campaigning about?

YourPerception · 28/06/2016 12:57

I had no interest in the borders talk not the economy. Immigration and economics were not factors in my decision. I figured economically in or out it was economically going to be tough. My parents are immigrants.

WellErrr · 28/06/2016 12:58

Yes, you are being VERY unreasonable.

THERES A TOPIC FOR THIS ->

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101handbags · 28/06/2016 13:04

I've asked for this thread to be moved. Before anyone else hides the thread/hyperventilates/tells me I'm unreasonable..

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longfingernails · 28/06/2016 13:05

My immigration policy (though I don't think this is what we will get):

Zero unskilled migration; unlimited highly skilled migration, and points-based semi-skilled migration, without discrimination about EU vs non-EU. We can make the cutoffs country dependent if necessary to cut trade and diplomatic deals; for example, we could have looser cutoffs with Australia compared to Romania, simply because Australia is richer and brings more trade and opportunities to the table than Romania.

There would be zero benefits; mandatory insurance would cover that. Permanent residency rights could be issued after 7 years. Citizenship after 15.

BertrandRussell · 28/06/2016 13:08

I've been asking the same question for weeks. Also, what does "take back control mean? And "sovereignity" And some specific examples of the "red tape" that British businesses are tied up in.

No answer.

GloGirl · 28/06/2016 13:15

I'm a leave voter, I ignored the conservation around taking control of our borders because that wasn't my agenda or what would ultimately persuade me either way.

I can't answer your question, it's the wrong one for a lot of Brexiters.

GloGirl · 28/06/2016 13:16

*conversation not conservation!

Somerville · 28/06/2016 13:18

I've been asking the same question for weeks. Also, what does "take back control mean? And "sovereignity" And some specific examples of the "red tape" that British businesses are tied up in.

I've also heard nada on borders, control and sovereignty. I got an answer to red tape yesterday. Having to keep jobs open for women on maternity leave. Hmm Nice.

YourPerception · 28/06/2016 13:20

Clearly those responding didn't make a decision in those issues. Have you asked politicians staying those things for definitions?

AdrenalineFudge · 28/06/2016 13:22

BertrandRussell I must admit as a poster I have changed my mind about you. You are absolutely exhausting. Not that it matters in the slightest but you're just exhausting.

Somerville · 28/06/2016 13:24

People phoning in on 5-live kept saying it was about immigration/control/sovereignty/red tape. Over and over.

And they were the sane ones, who didn't put it down to a message from God.

I kept yelling 'WHAT DO YOU MEAN??' at the radio.

Mumofone1972 · 28/06/2016 13:35

Voted out & in answer to your question:
Control - the EU has grown considerably during the past 40 years and I am concerned as to what it will look like in the next 40 - how far away are we from a United States of Europe. I am very proud of our multi cultural country and I would like it to continue to be identifiable as the UK for future generations. I didn't at any time envisage that "£350m" would be diverted from the EU directly into NHS, however I did vote for the net value of the "£350m" to be redistributed within the UK.....

ClarkL · 28/06/2016 13:37

Longfingernails sums up my views perfectly, taking control of borders has nothing to do with stopping people coming in, but instead letting those in regardless of where they have come from who have jobs already lined up and further enhance the benefits the UK already sees from immigration.
No-one jumps up and down and calls the USA or Australia racists and yet they also control those coming to live within their country and that is the exact same system I would like to see implemented within the UK

GerdaLovesLili · 28/06/2016 13:39

I have/had no interest in the recent campaign. Borders were not really my concern. I believe that we should have had a referendum before Maastricht, and certainly before Lisbon. I was also concerned about the number of people who had a vote last time and voted us in in 1975 who felt cheated, let down and who no longer trusted the EU leadership as it stands today (And who despite their knowledge and experience are being vilified as too stupid and old to be allowed to vote now). I was also interested in the views of my friends who were pro federal EU and who were very clear that we didn't need a referendum of any sort to allow that to proceed. I felt therefore, that this was the last chance that we would be given to have any say in the way that the EU develops in the future and/or our membership of it. It was a boil that had been allowed to fester for far to long, and no-one should be surprised at the poison that has emerged on lancing it.

itsmine · 28/06/2016 13:48

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RortyCrankle · 28/06/2016 13:52

Immigration was nowhere the top of my list for voting Leave but what 'taking control of our borders' means to me is the following:

I think the majority of Leavers would be happy to see people coming here to live, IF they have the skills we require and their intention is to work and contribute to the country. The same applies to those who are already here, of course.

What we don't want are people coming who have no interest in working, are criminals of one type or another and simply cost us money languishing in prison. There has apparently been a 240 per cent rise in EU convicts filing our jails.

So I haven't thought about this in depth and have no idea if the Australian points system is what we should use or not. I just think we should have sufficient control to say who comes to our country and who does not.

If you consider that unreasonable, I don't know what else to say to be honest.

BertrandRussell · 28/06/2016 13:53

"No-one jumps up and down and calls the USA or Australia racists"

Well, they do, actually. The Australians in particular have a history of distinctly dodgy immigration policies.

mollie123 · 28/06/2016 14:01

longfingernails
spot on - the way I see the migrant question (and how most sane people see it I would imagine) - this does not make those who feel this is the best policy either racist or xenophobic - this is 'control'
I do find it a tad hypocritical that so many 'remain' voters on mumsnet want to pack up and go to Australia, Canada etc where they are sure they will be admitted because they have the right skills - exactly - that is what we are trying to get for this country Hmm